Republic Pilots (IBT) Request NMB Release
07-03-2012, 11:45 AM
#31
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So I have a question. I am offered the shuttle class in July. This is the one certificate that I wanted due to 3 of 5 bases would be easy commute. I have a few questions
1)Would anyone still go there with the request to strike? They told us in interview that we would have every right as a normal pilot and would not be fired if we were still on probation. Any thoughts?
2)if we are in training and pilots strike, is going to class considered crossing the line and being a scab? I don't want the title tied to me but I honestly don't know because it's not like you are helping the company make money
3) I have heard that they are short handed on the shuttle side and that some people have been holding line quickly out of training. Is this true and if so what base?
4)I have an offer from gojet that is the following week. They have their own issue with name reputation so was asking thoughts on which you would take given the new circumstances with republic
1)Would anyone still go there with the request to strike? They told us in interview that we would have every right as a normal pilot and would not be fired if we were still on probation. Any thoughts?
2)if we are in training and pilots strike, is going to class considered crossing the line and being a scab? I don't want the title tied to me but I honestly don't know because it's not like you are helping the company make money
3) I have heard that they are short handed on the shuttle side and that some people have been holding line quickly out of training. Is this true and if so what base?
4)I have an offer from gojet that is the following week. They have their own issue with name reputation so was asking thoughts on which you would take given the new circumstances with republic
07-03-2012, 12:30 PM
#32
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EBoard VP of 357:
“As for the LOA lawsuit, yes it does directly affect your abilities to feed your family. You see, the money you deserve is being sent to another pilot group instead of you. It supports a pilot group of a failed airline. Not the pilot's fault it has failed, rather management. How about send that money to the people that helped make that money? That you, me and the rest of the pilots here at RAH.”
NC update from RAH:
On the pay front, the union presented a revised proposal and informed us that they are not interested in a pay proposal that contains “at-risk” compensation components such as profit sharing.
Anyone else think this is a pretty large disconncent bordering on humorous?
“As for the LOA lawsuit, yes it does directly affect your abilities to feed your family. You see, the money you deserve is being sent to another pilot group instead of you. It supports a pilot group of a failed airline. Not the pilot's fault it has failed, rather management. How about send that money to the people that helped make that money? That you, me and the rest of the pilots here at RAH.”
NC update from RAH:
On the pay front, the union presented a revised proposal and informed us that they are not interested in a pay proposal that contains “at-risk” compensation components such as profit sharing.
Anyone else think this is a pretty large disconncent bordering on humorous?
07-03-2012, 12:45 PM
#33
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07-03-2012, 01:25 PM
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07-03-2012, 02:13 PM
#35
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No, Spirit in the grand scheme of things is insignificant. They have limited market share and quite honestly fly a demographic of people that the powers to be (i.e. Congress, the President, etc.) simply don't care much about.
RAH on the otherhand flies for every legacy airline and composes a good portion of the flying for 3 of them. A strike from RAH would ground a lot of flights and cause a huge uproar from ****ed off passengers (remember they don't care how much or how little pilots make, only that their tickets are dirt cheap).
That uproar would reverberate with nervous Congressman, Senators, and even the President himself. All before going into an election in November? No, release won't happen because no one will want to rock the boat. If it was a smaller carrier then maybe, but not a carrier as big as RAH.
It sucks and I wish the NMB would release RAH or any other carrier that gets to the point they have but unfortunately there are political realities here that will prevent it from happening any time soon.
RAH on the otherhand flies for every legacy airline and composes a good portion of the flying for 3 of them. A strike from RAH would ground a lot of flights and cause a huge uproar from ****ed off passengers (remember they don't care how much or how little pilots make, only that their tickets are dirt cheap).
That uproar would reverberate with nervous Congressman, Senators, and even the President himself. All before going into an election in November? No, release won't happen because no one will want to rock the boat. If it was a smaller carrier then maybe, but not a carrier as big as RAH.
It sucks and I wish the NMB would release RAH or any other carrier that gets to the point they have but unfortunately there are political realities here that will prevent it from happening any time soon.
07-03-2012, 02:51 PM
#36
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EBoard VP of 357:
“As for the LOA lawsuit, yes it does directly affect your abilities to feed your family. You see, the money you deserve is being sent to another pilot group instead of you. It supports a pilot group of a failed airline. Not the pilot's fault it has failed, rather management. How about send that money to the people that helped make that money? That you, me and the rest of the pilots here at RAH.”
NC update from RAH:
On the pay front, the union presented a revised proposal and informed us that they are not interested in a pay proposal that contains “at-risk” compensation components such as profit sharing.
Anyone else think this is a pretty large disconncent bordering on humorous?
“As for the LOA lawsuit, yes it does directly affect your abilities to feed your family. You see, the money you deserve is being sent to another pilot group instead of you. It supports a pilot group of a failed airline. Not the pilot's fault it has failed, rather management. How about send that money to the people that helped make that money? That you, me and the rest of the pilots here at RAH.”
NC update from RAH:
On the pay front, the union presented a revised proposal and informed us that they are not interested in a pay proposal that contains “at-risk” compensation components such as profit sharing.
Anyone else think this is a pretty large disconncent bordering on humorous?
07-03-2012, 06:57 PM
#38
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Hey, it’s a RAH pilot posing as a semi-reasonable human and an pilot with previous- or not - experience!
You sound good on our private message board, why do you lose it in a public forum?
It seems between DC7C (Richard Face), Crism, who posted as soon as he got the blast email, and me, I am the least detrimental leak you guys got. It’s sweet that an IBT member what’s to give ME a blanket party (careful what you wish for), but Crism, who’s been on APC a long time, broke the news of arbitration/release blast before it hit our message board.
To date, I am:
A Ford and Harrison Attorney
A Seabury employee
A management puke
A RAH pilot that wants to be a management puke
A former RAH pilot that works for Frontier
A Frontier pilot that is posing as a RAH pilot
Neither Ford & Harrison, Seabury or management would comment on this board (read it – yes. Use it against us – yes, comment – no)
A former RAH pilot at Frontier or a Frontier pilot could give a $hit about our meditaion, so that leaves a pilot at RAH that thinks the Union (357, CM, IBT) is sucking the blood from us and promising the sky.
You REALLY think we’ll hear from the NMB in 6 days and that our Union wouldn’t ask for release without “knowing the answer”? You’re paranoid and dilusional.
I have been at RAH long enough to see the GS days and they don’t look any different then where we are today.
Funny as He11 that CM thinks we’re all first time regional pilots and “kids”. Great representitive for our pilot group.
Stop trying to blame everyone else and look at our pilot group. Like 2000 members and there were 3 questions last Thursday. Today some one asked, “what happens on Thursdays”?We had 7 ExCo positions open and only 7 were willing to “run”. They weren’t elected, they were appointed. Because, in the end no pilot at RAH really gives a rats a$$ about anyone or anything else.
Stop billing me for my “negotiating” assessment, stop raising my hopes and let us move on.
We (the IBT) has got to be the least responsable organization I’ve ever seen, every thing is always some one elses fault, we’re mean when we don’t have to be and we lie when the truth is easier. And we expect the company to respond positively?
Keep blaming BB, WH, RH, FAPA, MEA, the arbitrator, scheduling, the mediator and who ever you can dream up. If it seems like EVERYONE is against us, is it possible that the problem isn’t with them but with us? Keep up the whining, it’s worked so well so far, as has our NC.
If you think that this is the first, last and only pilot group screwed by IBT, you MUST be a kid or it's your first regional/commuter airline EBoard President statement) - they've been doing this for YEARS.
You sound good on our private message board, why do you lose it in a public forum?
It seems between DC7C (Richard Face), Crism, who posted as soon as he got the blast email, and me, I am the least detrimental leak you guys got. It’s sweet that an IBT member what’s to give ME a blanket party (careful what you wish for), but Crism, who’s been on APC a long time, broke the news of arbitration/release blast before it hit our message board.
To date, I am:
A Ford and Harrison Attorney
A Seabury employee
A management puke
A RAH pilot that wants to be a management puke
A former RAH pilot that works for Frontier
A Frontier pilot that is posing as a RAH pilot
Neither Ford & Harrison, Seabury or management would comment on this board (read it – yes. Use it against us – yes, comment – no)
A former RAH pilot at Frontier or a Frontier pilot could give a $hit about our meditaion, so that leaves a pilot at RAH that thinks the Union (357, CM, IBT) is sucking the blood from us and promising the sky.
You REALLY think we’ll hear from the NMB in 6 days and that our Union wouldn’t ask for release without “knowing the answer”? You’re paranoid and dilusional.
I have been at RAH long enough to see the GS days and they don’t look any different then where we are today.
Funny as He11 that CM thinks we’re all first time regional pilots and “kids”. Great representitive for our pilot group.
Stop trying to blame everyone else and look at our pilot group. Like 2000 members and there were 3 questions last Thursday. Today some one asked, “what happens on Thursdays”?We had 7 ExCo positions open and only 7 were willing to “run”. They weren’t elected, they were appointed. Because, in the end no pilot at RAH really gives a rats a$$ about anyone or anything else.
Stop billing me for my “negotiating” assessment, stop raising my hopes and let us move on.
We (the IBT) has got to be the least responsable organization I’ve ever seen, every thing is always some one elses fault, we’re mean when we don’t have to be and we lie when the truth is easier. And we expect the company to respond positively?
Keep blaming BB, WH, RH, FAPA, MEA, the arbitrator, scheduling, the mediator and who ever you can dream up. If it seems like EVERYONE is against us, is it possible that the problem isn’t with them but with us? Keep up the whining, it’s worked so well so far, as has our NC.
If you think that this is the first, last and only pilot group screwed by IBT, you MUST be a kid or it's your first regional/commuter airline EBoard President statement) - they've been doing this for YEARS.
Last edited by 3662forlife; 07-03-2012 at 07:24 PM.
07-04-2012, 05:11 AM
#39
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Posts: 1,226
Going to class is crossing the line, any pilot doing anything for the company is. Ever seen the Spirit scab site? Some of them were only working in the office. Every pilot is in it together! Disappointing people do not get that.
07-04-2012, 05:58 AM
#40
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So I have a question. I am offered the shuttle class in July. This is the one certificate that I wanted due to 3 of 5 bases would be easy commute. I have a few questions
1)Would anyone still go there with the request to strike? They told us in interview that we would have every right as a normal pilot and would not be fired if we were still on probation. Any thoughts?
1)Would anyone still go there with the request to strike? They told us in interview that we would have every right as a normal pilot and would not be fired if we were still on probation. Any thoughts?
I have personally seen GoJet pilots getting denied a ride by other regional carriers. As was explained to me by a GJ pilot, they have very little jumpseat reciprocity with other carriers. Best to live in base and not commute if you work there.
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