Republic Pilots (IBT) Request NMB Release
07-16-2012, 06:03 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by 3662forlife
As someone else mentioned, HOW do you keep a straight face and tell them that 5 years on an amendable contract is not out of the ordinary.
07-17-2012, 10:38 AM
#132
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07-17-2012, 01:06 PM
#134
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Today was the date set for the company to respond to the NMB about Arbitration. Now we wait until we get a release from the NMB. Then Bedford and Heller will start to negotiate, or pull out the contract that they have had in their desk just waiting for all the RLA negotiations to finally run its course.
07-17-2012, 05:14 PM
#135
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07-18-2012, 06:05 AM
#136
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Dude,
You want to talk about “spin” experts, you don’t have to look any further than the IBT, they are master spinners, especially when it comes to communicating with us, their pilot group.
As someone else mentioned, HOW do you keep a straight face and tell them that 5 years on an amendable contract is not out of the ordinary.
Happens all the time. It's call the RLA.
Or that our first SLI proposal threw EVERY FO under the bus? Even with all our “experts” and “highly experienced” negotiators, the final SLI heavily favored the senior captains while essentially ending the FO’s careers.
I was an FO and I do not see it that way. Oh, wait, an Arbitrator decided it, not the senior pilots. What was I thinking?
We’ve been paying an assessment for a year to have an attorney involved in the 4 (four) sections we opened and yet nothing new or different has happened from when we didn’t have an attorney involved.
Why don't you identify yourself to the negotiating committee so they can get langauge that is different, just for you. You can remain under the current book while the rest of us get the new and improved version.
Ever hear of Oliver Wyman or other such consulting groups? Why are we wasting our money on a single attorney when the company brings the entire firm of Ford and Harrison to the table.
Almost every airline deals with Ford and Harrison.
We’re basing our financial analysis on an Enron-turned-pilot and Bob Mann?
You have never met EG, have you? Shame on you for judging that book by it's cover.
Have you noticed that the company brings TPG or Seabury to negotiate and analyze the financials? Again, they hire firms, not singular individuals.
You do not see that the conflict of interest there. Seabury? Have you seen how much RJET stock they own? If I owned as much stock as they do, I would paint a doom and gloom picture so the pilots would agree to a subpar contract.
Yes, firms cost more than individuals, but I would have rather spent more money for a shorter period of time and gotten a reasonable contract long ago.
Are you sure this company wants to get a contract fast?
People that work for Seabury or Oliver Wyman know each other, have worked opposite sides of the table together in the past and will do so in the future, they have the ability to talk sense to their own clients and get deals done.
See above about Seabury.
Instead, we do it the IBT way….. fist pounding, obstructionism, rhetoric and blame……
Oh and I love CM’s theory that we will “get another bite of the apple” in JCBA negotiations. You really think the company isn’t considering that?
Is it possible that the company won’t give us what we want now because they know we’re just going to ask for more later?
You want to talk about “spin” experts, you don’t have to look any further than the IBT, they are master spinners, especially when it comes to communicating with us, their pilot group.
As someone else mentioned, HOW do you keep a straight face and tell them that 5 years on an amendable contract is not out of the ordinary.
Happens all the time. It's call the RLA.
Or that our first SLI proposal threw EVERY FO under the bus? Even with all our “experts” and “highly experienced” negotiators, the final SLI heavily favored the senior captains while essentially ending the FO’s careers.
I was an FO and I do not see it that way. Oh, wait, an Arbitrator decided it, not the senior pilots. What was I thinking?
We’ve been paying an assessment for a year to have an attorney involved in the 4 (four) sections we opened and yet nothing new or different has happened from when we didn’t have an attorney involved.
Why don't you identify yourself to the negotiating committee so they can get langauge that is different, just for you. You can remain under the current book while the rest of us get the new and improved version.
Ever hear of Oliver Wyman or other such consulting groups? Why are we wasting our money on a single attorney when the company brings the entire firm of Ford and Harrison to the table.
Almost every airline deals with Ford and Harrison.
We’re basing our financial analysis on an Enron-turned-pilot and Bob Mann?
You have never met EG, have you? Shame on you for judging that book by it's cover.
Have you noticed that the company brings TPG or Seabury to negotiate and analyze the financials? Again, they hire firms, not singular individuals.
You do not see that the conflict of interest there. Seabury? Have you seen how much RJET stock they own? If I owned as much stock as they do, I would paint a doom and gloom picture so the pilots would agree to a subpar contract.
Yes, firms cost more than individuals, but I would have rather spent more money for a shorter period of time and gotten a reasonable contract long ago.
Are you sure this company wants to get a contract fast?
People that work for Seabury or Oliver Wyman know each other, have worked opposite sides of the table together in the past and will do so in the future, they have the ability to talk sense to their own clients and get deals done.
See above about Seabury.
Instead, we do it the IBT way….. fist pounding, obstructionism, rhetoric and blame……
Oh and I love CM’s theory that we will “get another bite of the apple” in JCBA negotiations. You really think the company isn’t considering that?
Is it possible that the company won’t give us what we want now because they know we’re just going to ask for more later?
07-18-2012, 07:12 AM
#137
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Position: A320 eff oh
Posts: 277
Dude,
You want to talk about “spin” experts, you don’t have to look any further than the IBT, they are master spinners, especially when it comes to communicating with us, their pilot group.
As someone else mentioned, HOW do you keep a straight face and tell them that 5 years on an amendable contract is not out of the ordinary.
Or that our first SLI proposal threw EVERY FO under the bus? Even with all our “experts” and “highly experienced” negotiators, the final SLI heavily favored the senior captains while essentially ending the FO’s careers.
We’ve been paying an assessment for a year to have an attorney involved in the 4 (four) sections we opened and yet nothing new or different has happened from when we didn’t have an attorney involved.
Ever hear of Oliver Wyman or other such consulting groups? Why are we wasting our money on a single attorney when the company brings the entire firm of Ford and Harrison to the table.
We’re basing our financial analysis on an Enron-turned-pilot and Bob Mann?
Have you noticed that the company brings TPG or Seabury to negotiate and analyze the financials? Again, they hire firms, not singular individuals.
Yes, firms cost more than individuals, but I would have rather spent more money for a shorter period of time and gotten a reasonable contract long ago.
People that work for Seabury or Oliver Wyman know each other, have worked opposite sides of the table together in the past and will do so in the future, they have the ability to talk sense to their own clients and get deals done.
Instead, we do it the IBT way….. fist pounding, obstructionism, rhetoric and blame……
Oh and I love CM’s theory that we will “get another bite of the apple” in JCBA negotiations. You really think the company isn’t considering that?
Is it possible that the company won’t give us what we want now because they know we’re just going to ask for more later?
You want to talk about “spin” experts, you don’t have to look any further than the IBT, they are master spinners, especially when it comes to communicating with us, their pilot group.
As someone else mentioned, HOW do you keep a straight face and tell them that 5 years on an amendable contract is not out of the ordinary.
Or that our first SLI proposal threw EVERY FO under the bus? Even with all our “experts” and “highly experienced” negotiators, the final SLI heavily favored the senior captains while essentially ending the FO’s careers.
We’ve been paying an assessment for a year to have an attorney involved in the 4 (four) sections we opened and yet nothing new or different has happened from when we didn’t have an attorney involved.
Ever hear of Oliver Wyman or other such consulting groups? Why are we wasting our money on a single attorney when the company brings the entire firm of Ford and Harrison to the table.
We’re basing our financial analysis on an Enron-turned-pilot and Bob Mann?
Have you noticed that the company brings TPG or Seabury to negotiate and analyze the financials? Again, they hire firms, not singular individuals.
Yes, firms cost more than individuals, but I would have rather spent more money for a shorter period of time and gotten a reasonable contract long ago.
People that work for Seabury or Oliver Wyman know each other, have worked opposite sides of the table together in the past and will do so in the future, they have the ability to talk sense to their own clients and get deals done.
Instead, we do it the IBT way….. fist pounding, obstructionism, rhetoric and blame……
Oh and I love CM’s theory that we will “get another bite of the apple” in JCBA negotiations. You really think the company isn’t considering that?
Is it possible that the company won’t give us what we want now because they know we’re just going to ask for more later?
So go read the RLA before you once again show hour inability to understand and debate topics pertaining to labor law in regards to the RLA.
07-18-2012, 02:02 PM
#138
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Joined APC: Jun 2011
Posts: 48
No I'm not going to bust his kneecaps or key his car, but if this douche-nozzle is someone I'm sitting next to on a regular basis...I want to know it. There is an avoid list for a reason! He is subverting the unions ability to communicate with its members because everything the union tells us, in confidence, he blasts to the world. I can't get decent concise communication from my union. Because if it is sent out, it will be posted here for the world to see in minutes by a certain user named 36.62. So while no physical harm will come to him (on my part I can guarantee that), that doesn't mean that his life can't be turned into a living hell otherwise.
07-18-2012, 04:44 PM
#139
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Position: FO
Posts: 3,044
Stupid and random question that came up at work today.
Do the FA's fly inter-certificate or are they like the pilots and they are assigned and fly on only one certificate?
Not pertinent to the topic of the thread but didn't feel like it needed its own place.
Do the FA's fly inter-certificate or are they like the pilots and they are assigned and fly on only one certificate?
Not pertinent to the topic of the thread but didn't feel like it needed its own place.
07-18-2012, 05:37 PM
#140
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Posts: 511
As far as the FAA is concerned, the different certs are three separate airlines. So each airline must have its own dispatchers, fa, pilots, etc. The fa's have one seniority list but must go through indoc each time they switch certs. We even have different checklists and procedures flying the same aircraft because of having different POI's.
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