hockeypilot44

They are most definitely different than the guys assigned to the S5 certificate. They are under a completely different CBA. As far as I know, not one single pre-merger Republic pilot has transferred to the F9 side with his seniority in tact. They are operated as two separate entities...for now.

sticky

....so what? They are still employees of airlines whole-owned by RAH and one union governed by the RLA. RW has a DEN base, but S5 does not...does that make them different?

There will be transfers to the F9 certificate while retaining IMSL seniority (rightfully so) soon enough...just need some vacancies.

3662forlife

Two questions.

1) When RAH purchased Frontier and Lynx, they said that a fleet of 12 Q400’s was too small to keep in service and operate profitably.

Now we have 15 E-190’s, if we lose 3 or more of those 15 E-190’s, will RAH decide to shutdown the 190 line?

2) If we get the raises we deserve and/or want, there has been speculation that RAH may take all of the company or a portion of the company into bankruptcy. The obvious choice between the three certificates is CHQ.

Our contract is between RAH and CHQ. If CHQ goes away will S5 or YX (RP) still have a contract with RAH?



In other news, the Judge dismissed the lawsuit regarding “rahcontractnow” by RAH against the IBT. Apparently, the company cannot claim harm while stipulating there is no harm and continue with the lawsuit. (That’s not a direct quote from anyone)

Now the senior guys are telling the junior guys to just suck it up, life as a captain isn’t any better than that of a junior FO. Even the EBoard VP of 357 stated to a disgruntled FO, “The world does need ditch diggers too.”

Guess we’re going to see what the future holds for us as the company’s response to the NMB is due tomorrow. Maybe we’ll be released by Wednesday. Fun times…..

cannedapplause

I shouldn't even respond to you however I cannot let this go. Your blatant attemp at spin is laughable. That is a line from the movie Caddyshack. It was a JOKE! Just the fact that you are trying to spin this to make our guys look bad is more proof that you do not have the best interest of your fellow pilots at heart.

You may have a future in politics.

hockeypilot44

So what? The Frontier first officers make more than the captains on the other certificates. Without a single contract, the IMSL means nothing. See US Airways for an example. You guys really do want to take the Frontier Airbus seats, huh? I don't blame you. The pay disparity is huge. Just don't tell the Frontier pilots you don't want their seats. Your actions speak for themselves.

sticky

What does hourly pay have to do with anything? The same thing could be said about Southwest and AirTran.

You think without a single contract, an IMSL means nothing?...that alone shows how little understanding you have. Does your Frontier pilot dad know youre on his computer?

Killer51883

and as soon as the native republic contract is finalized the IBT will begin the process of amalgamating the two contracts. that is why only 4 sections are being negotiatied

Crism

Ugh I hope we sell them before this ever has to happen.

3662forlife

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3662forlife

Dude,

You want to talk about “spin” experts, you don’t have to look any further than the IBT, they are master spinners, especially when it comes to communicating with us, their pilot group.

As someone else mentioned, HOW do you keep a straight face and tell them that 5 years on an amendable contract is not out of the ordinary.

Or that our first SLI proposal threw EVERY FO under the bus? Even with all our “experts” and “highly experienced” negotiators, the final SLI heavily favored the senior captains while essentially ending the FO’s careers.

We’ve been paying an assessment for a year to have an attorney involved in the 4 (four) sections we opened and yet nothing new or different has happened from when we didn’t have an attorney involved.

Ever hear of Oliver Wyman or other such consulting groups? Why are we wasting our money on a single attorney when the company brings the entire firm of Ford and Harrison to the table.

We’re basing our financial analysis on an Enron-turned-pilot and Bob Mann?

Have you noticed that the company brings TPG or Seabury to negotiate and analyze the financials? Again, they hire firms, not singular individuals.

Yes, firms cost more than individuals, but I would have rather spent more money for a shorter period of time and gotten a reasonable contract long ago.

People that work for Seabury or Oliver Wyman know each other, have worked opposite sides of the table together in the past and will do so in the future, they have the ability to talk sense to their own clients and get deals done.

Instead, we do it the IBT way….. fist pounding, obstructionism, rhetoric and blame……

Oh and I love CM’s theory that we will “get another bite of the apple” in JCBA negotiations. You really think the company isn’t considering that?

Is it possible that the company won’t give us what we want now because they know we’re just going to ask for more later?