Any good info or news of republic airways
06-17-2012, 07:35 AM
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: ????
Posts: 579
One word (everyone here knows it well): Whipsaw
As long as the "G7's" of the industry pop up you will never make significantly more than the wages than you are now (unless there is a major shake up, or the "pilot shortage" actually materializes). Every 5 - 10 years some carrier hits the "reset" button and screws everyone. Today, its G7, you get expensive "your" flying goes to them or someone comparable. IE they have no one with seniority and pay crap wages and can operate cheaper than anyone. Yet we can't complain, because there are always the APC'ers that start screaming about how are are all just outsourced flying and we are all our own worst enemies. I disagree, yes we are outsourced, because mainline decrees that it shall be, however, when another regional knows that they can just reset everything and screw everyone (other than mainline and their own management) thats something we should not stand for. If ALPA or any union had any balls we would prevent the whipsaw and stand up for decent wages, etc. (dare i say, a "Regional Union" that everyone participates in and prevents the whipsaw. But there are probably too many unforeseen consequences to that...)
Until that happens, I hope you get your 50% deserved pay raise (we all deserve it with the $$ of education, lifestyle, responsibilities, etc) but dont cry too hard when G7 or whoever undercuts the hell out of you or mainline just decides to take the flying back. Mainline doesn't give a s h i t about your $$ education, life, health, or anything. Their bean counters care only about $$$. Then again, I must not understand anything about economics or the industry...
As long as the "G7's" of the industry pop up you will never make significantly more than the wages than you are now (unless there is a major shake up, or the "pilot shortage" actually materializes). Every 5 - 10 years some carrier hits the "reset" button and screws everyone. Today, its G7, you get expensive "your" flying goes to them or someone comparable. IE they have no one with seniority and pay crap wages and can operate cheaper than anyone. Yet we can't complain, because there are always the APC'ers that start screaming about how are are all just outsourced flying and we are all our own worst enemies. I disagree, yes we are outsourced, because mainline decrees that it shall be, however, when another regional knows that they can just reset everything and screw everyone (other than mainline and their own management) thats something we should not stand for. If ALPA or any union had any balls we would prevent the whipsaw and stand up for decent wages, etc. (dare i say, a "Regional Union" that everyone participates in and prevents the whipsaw. But there are probably too many unforeseen consequences to that...)
Until that happens, I hope you get your 50% deserved pay raise (we all deserve it with the $$ of education, lifestyle, responsibilities, etc) but dont cry too hard when G7 or whoever undercuts the hell out of you or mainline just decides to take the flying back. Mainline doesn't give a s h i t about your $$ education, life, health, or anything. Their bean counters care only about $$$. Then again, I must not understand anything about economics or the industry...
06-17-2012, 07:48 AM
#42
Underpaid...
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
One word (everyone here knows it well): Whipsaw
As long as the "G7's" of the industry pop up you will never make significantly more than the wages than you are now (unless there is a major shake up, or the "pilot shortage" actually materializes). Every 5 - 10 years some carrier hits the "reset" button and screws everyone. Today, its G7, you get expensive "your" flying goes to them or someone comparable. IE they have no one with seniority and pay crap wages and can operate cheaper than anyone. Yet we can't complain, because there are always the APC'ers that start screaming about how are are all just outsourced flying and we are all our own worst enemies. I disagree, yes we are outsourced, because mainline decrees that it shall be, however, when another regional knows that they can just reset everything and screw everyone (other than mainline and their own management) thats something we should not stand for. If ALPA or any union had any balls we would prevent the whipsaw and stand up for decent wages, etc. (dare i say, a "Regional Union" that everyone participates in and prevents the whipsaw. But there are probably too many unforeseen consequences to that...)
Until that happens, I hope you get your 50% deserved pay raise (we all deserve it with the $$ of education, lifestyle, responsibilities, etc) but dont cry too hard when G7 or whoever undercuts the hell out of you or mainline just decides to take the flying back. Mainline doesn't give a s h i t about your $$ education, life, health, or anything. Their bean counters care only about $$$. Then again, I must not understand anything about economics or the industry...
As long as the "G7's" of the industry pop up you will never make significantly more than the wages than you are now (unless there is a major shake up, or the "pilot shortage" actually materializes). Every 5 - 10 years some carrier hits the "reset" button and screws everyone. Today, its G7, you get expensive "your" flying goes to them or someone comparable. IE they have no one with seniority and pay crap wages and can operate cheaper than anyone. Yet we can't complain, because there are always the APC'ers that start screaming about how are are all just outsourced flying and we are all our own worst enemies. I disagree, yes we are outsourced, because mainline decrees that it shall be, however, when another regional knows that they can just reset everything and screw everyone (other than mainline and their own management) thats something we should not stand for. If ALPA or any union had any balls we would prevent the whipsaw and stand up for decent wages, etc. (dare i say, a "Regional Union" that everyone participates in and prevents the whipsaw. But there are probably too many unforeseen consequences to that...)
Until that happens, I hope you get your 50% deserved pay raise (we all deserve it with the $$ of education, lifestyle, responsibilities, etc) but dont cry too hard when G7 or whoever undercuts the hell out of you or mainline just decides to take the flying back. Mainline doesn't give a s h i t about your $$ education, life, health, or anything. Their bean counters care only about $$$. Then again, I must not understand anything about economics or the industry...
06-17-2012, 07:50 AM
#43
Underpaid...
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
One word (everyone here knows it well): Whipsaw
As long as the "G7's" of the industry pop up you will never make significantly more than the wages than you are now (unless there is a major shake up, or the "pilot shortage" actually materializes). Every 5 - 10 years some carrier hits the "reset" button and screws everyone. Today, its G7, you get expensive "your" flying goes to them or someone comparable. IE they have no one with seniority and pay crap wages and can operate cheaper than anyone. Yet we can't complain, because there are always the APC'ers that start screaming about how are are all just outsourced flying and we are all our own worst enemies. I disagree, yes we are outsourced, because mainline decrees that it shall be, however, when another regional knows that they can just reset everything and screw everyone (other than mainline and their own management) thats something we should not stand for. If ALPA or any union had any balls we would prevent the whipsaw and stand up for decent wages, etc. (dare i say, a "Regional Union" that everyone participates in and prevents the whipsaw. But there are probably too many unforeseen consequences to that...)
Until that happens, I hope you get your 50% deserved pay raise (we all deserve it with the $$ of education, lifestyle, responsibilities, etc) but dont cry too hard when G7 or whoever undercuts the hell out of you or mainline just decides to take the flying back. Mainline doesn't give a s h i t about your $$ education, life, health, or anything. Their bean counters care only about $$$. Then again, I must not understand anything about economics or the industry...
As long as the "G7's" of the industry pop up you will never make significantly more than the wages than you are now (unless there is a major shake up, or the "pilot shortage" actually materializes). Every 5 - 10 years some carrier hits the "reset" button and screws everyone. Today, its G7, you get expensive "your" flying goes to them or someone comparable. IE they have no one with seniority and pay crap wages and can operate cheaper than anyone. Yet we can't complain, because there are always the APC'ers that start screaming about how are are all just outsourced flying and we are all our own worst enemies. I disagree, yes we are outsourced, because mainline decrees that it shall be, however, when another regional knows that they can just reset everything and screw everyone (other than mainline and their own management) thats something we should not stand for. If ALPA or any union had any balls we would prevent the whipsaw and stand up for decent wages, etc. (dare i say, a "Regional Union" that everyone participates in and prevents the whipsaw. But there are probably too many unforeseen consequences to that...)
Until that happens, I hope you get your 50% deserved pay raise (we all deserve it with the $$ of education, lifestyle, responsibilities, etc) but dont cry too hard when G7 or whoever undercuts the hell out of you or mainline just decides to take the flying back. Mainline doesn't give a s h i t about your $$ education, life, health, or anything. Their bean counters care only about $$$. Then again, I must not understand anything about economics or the industry...
06-17-2012, 09:48 AM
#44
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: UniCal 737 FO
Posts: 413
While that may be true, it's root origin is cost. Mainline can't do it as cheap as outsourcing. Eventually with the "shortage" you might see it being brought more and more back to in house. Any in house regional got sold off or has been up for sale, they simply don't want to deal with it and they know they will profit more by farming it out. It sucks for us big time.
06-17-2012, 10:04 AM
#45
patience
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,068
If mainline knows they can maintain a higher margin by outsourcing regional flying rather than keeping it in-house, then why would mainline bring more flying in-house in the future?
It's no secret that regional airline capacity might decrease in the future, that reason alone is sufficient enough to mitigate any minor pilot shortage that may or may not occur at the regional level. There are many steps that could be taken to decrease any sort of pilot shortage and bringing regional flying back in-house is probably the last option that the majors would ever exercise.
06-17-2012, 10:32 AM
#46
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: FO
Posts: 101
Capts pay is where it ought to be – I hope I get that one day. Also if capts get a raise our “lifer” capts won’t leave and the rest of us are stuck here with no PIC hours to move on.
We supposedly had the best scope in the industry but we still “had” to get new scope and that’s all that’s been agreed on?
Get rid of the brotherhood and make our own in-house union. Dump everyone on the Neg Comm and start new. What ever the NC has been doing isn’t working.
“Elect” a new President – instead of “appointing” a President and ExCo that won’t even talk to RAH management but will talk to Frontier management.
I mean really – we have like 2000 pilots that 99 percent of could vote for a strike but only 7 pilots who would allow themselfs to be appointed to the 7 ExCo positions? That sends a very loud message that no one wants to be involved with the brotherhood or cares enough about the contract to do anything about it.
06-17-2012, 10:41 AM
#47
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: FO
Posts: 101
I’ld guess you’re for capt raises because you’re getting close to being a capt with the Q’s coming. You’re pay will double as a 6 year capt but that’s not enough?
You’ld be surprised at how many agree with me but with statements like you make do you think any of them will tell you what they think?
You’re pretty vicious and lawyerlike on our message board when any one dares disagree with you. That doesn’t really encourage any one to talk to you about some thing you would disagree with.
06-17-2012, 10:45 AM
#48
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: FO
Posts: 101
Just because our planes are labeled “regional” doesn’t mean we ought to get “regional” pay? Or that we ought to be compared with other “regionals”? I’ld love to hear the logic behind that.
06-17-2012, 10:54 AM
#49
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: FO
Posts: 101
We’re talking about flying over land (not over oceans) with tons of airports and all english speaking controllers right? That isn’t what comes to mind when I think of a “hostile environment”.
It's actually a very user friendly and easy environment for a pilot with decent skills, knowledge and situational awareness.
I fly with pilots that make the job ALOT harder then it needs to be, they may make it a “hostile environment” but that's they're fault not the systems fault.
I’m pretty sure you’re not ex military or ex corporate and have been spoon fed throughout your flying career.
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