Oskeewowow

The more I read from 36.62, the more I'm convinced he is an employee of Ford & Harrison, or the Seabury Group.

johnso29

Yup. They're all worthless. Waste of air time.

HotMamaPilot

Ed schultz: isn't he the same guy that played pizza the hut in "spaceballs"? I mean at least TRY to use the treadmill.

STR8NLVL

The dumbest post I've ever read. So you think we should use 50 seat rates as our peer group for a predominantly 70 seat fleet?!

How about the FACT that the rates the company published as being what the union is asking for aren't even the rates that are currently proposed and haven't been for over six months?!

I guess you'd be happy with the lowest FO rates in the industry for a 70 seat plane and no raises for captains?

Idiotic. No way you're an RAH pilot! If you are, you're one of the 17 out of 2,000 that voted against a strike. Don't act like you speak for anyone but your own ignorant self.

MusicPilot

Last time I checked pilot's payroll never bankrupt a company. BB said he wants bigger airplanes. He wants to fly code shares etc. Because the planes are labeled Regional doesn't mean that's what pay rate should be paid or determine what peer group you fall under. A labor group should always aim high when negotiating a contract. How much did it cost you to get your wings? Or should I say how much did it cost mom and dad? We're professionals, well at least most of us are, that deserve to be paid what we're worth and for the responsibility we carry when we're working.

By the way, I don't think I've met any pilot, scared or not, that's ever thought that a pilot group should only be paid what their peer groups getting paid. I've been around the business for a while too.

Seems like a management post to me.

Red97Vette

Just make sure you dont get paid too much. Otherwise mainline just takes the flying back. You get expensive, you just priced yourself out of a job, and yes "regional" = LOWER pay than mainline. Thats why your job EXISTS. If you want high paid wages, blah blah blah then go to mainline. Oh you can't? Then suck it up til you get there, thats what most of us are doing. And yes, crew pay is about the highest expense a regional airline has.

What

You are stating that a Pilot group should "suck it up" work for crap wages just to maintain a business model that is designed to drive pilot compensation lower! As far as the crew pay being the largest escpense, we are in the business to fly passengers from point A to point B! The tools utilized for this task are multi million dollar aircraft operated in a hostile environment (traffic, weather etc...). These aircraft are operated by personally who whols a skil that requires years if experience to obtain as well as thousands of dollars. We as pilots are allowing the airlines to blame us pilots when tools are inadequate and that the bussiness can't support to pay us wages comparable with our skills. You sir don't sound like a pilot or managment, you don't sound like someone who understand economics, supply and demand or the aviation bussiness! At the current state of the industry leverage and law fall on managment's side of the scale! If Dal passes the TA cards will continue to slide in that direction

slough

Supply and demand means even though you honed a skill through years of experience and thousands of dollars, you get paid what the market demands, not pay based on the effort you put into your talents. "wages comparable with our skills" is already being determined by supply and demand.

Red97Vette

One word (everyone here knows it well): Whipsaw
As long as the "G7's" of the industry pop up you will never make significantly more than the wages than you are now (unless there is a major shake up, or the "pilot shortage" actually materializes). Every 5 - 10 years some carrier hits the "reset" button and screws everyone. Today, its G7, you get expensive "your" flying goes to them or someone comparable. IE they have no one with seniority and pay crap wages and can operate cheaper than anyone. Yet we can't complain, because there are always the APC'ers that start screaming about how are are all just outsourced flying and we are all our own worst enemies. I disagree, yes we are outsourced, because mainline decrees that it shall be, however, when another regional knows that they can just reset everything and screw everyone (other than mainline and their own management) thats something we should not stand for. If ALPA or any union had any balls we would prevent the whipsaw and stand up for decent wages, etc. (dare i say, a "Regional Union" that everyone participates in and prevents the whipsaw. But there are probably too many unforeseen consequences to that...)
Until that happens, I hope you get your 50% deserved pay raise (we all deserve it with the $$ of education, lifestyle, responsibilities, etc) but dont cry too hard when G7 or whoever undercuts the hell out of you or mainline just decides to take the flying back. Mainline doesn't give a s h i t about your $$ education, life, health, or anything. Their bean counters care only about $$$. Then again, I must not understand anything about economics or the industry...

What

Exacly, as long as there is a supply of pilots mainlines will be able to whipsaw the regionals but as this demand increases regionals will have to adapt, you are seeing it with RAH giving the 5000 bonus and it will just continue. 50 seaters will be parked but not fast enought to offset attrition.