Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1189316)

Did you take a job at Virgin America? If so, you might not want to post statements like this. :cool:

Originally Posted by IBPilot (Post 1189230)

Ohhh the suspense I can't take it! Please don't make us wait, oh great and powerful wizard! Tell us now! Tell me where to send my resume now!:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

You can hardly equate Virgin America to what his happening at Colgan and Republic. Apples and Oranges.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1189565)

Why? Is anybody hiring other than Spirit or Virgin? Didn't think so. If a good opportunity comes up, one needs to take it. Plus, you make it sound like VA pays the lowest today for 'Bus drivers, and that isn't true. I had a friend get hired at US Air last year in the summer, he's on the Bus now and he makes far less and will continue to do so. And VA isn't driving down other airlines. They didn't even make a dent in Delta or their negotiations, they got a new TA in record time. US Air could have had a new TA but they decided that binding arbitration was just a suggestion, and in their quest for DOH, have screwed themselves. Jetblue got a new raise recently too. The only one left is United/Continental, and they have their own merger fiasco going on. You can hardly equate Virgin America to what his happening at Colgan and Republic. Apples and Oranges.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1189582)

Really? VA is one of the lower paying 320 operations. The low pay there keeps the raises for other airlines down because it drives the median rate down. Period. Delta has a TA that hasn't even been released to MEMRAT yet. It may not make it that far. UsAir is still operating on BK pay as is UAL. VA has never been BK.

It's fine that you went to VA. You want to make that jump, then more power to you. Just don't throw stones in glass houses. VA pay is low, & it is one more low rate for competing airlines management have to look at for comparison.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1189590)

A320 pay today, on an hourly basis, from lowest to highest:

US Air
United
Virgin America
JetBlue
Delta

Compare VA's new payrates to Spirit, and you'll see they're pretty close. VA isn't perfect, and there is room for improvement, but I don't think you have grounds for your glass house statement.



Jetblue and Delta have higher rates, and Delta just got a new TA that will go to the pilots. But the bottom line is they did get raises on the 320. JetBlue also had new raises this year, and they are above VAs already. The two below are US Air and United. US Air pilots obviously didn't care about a joined contract, because they are still held up in their dreams of DOH and screwing a binding arbitration award. To them, that mattered more. Flying the A320 at the lowest wage in the country didn't matter to them, they continue to do so, with no end in sight with a new joined contract. As for United/Continental, their pilot merger has had a few snafus, but they have cultural issues that need to be addressed. The situation is messy because it's a merger, and no merger is perfect. Anyway, there is room for improvement at VA, but it's still better than being under United and US Air's payscales.


By that argument, the VA pay increase this year was hampered by the lower A320 wages at US Air and United, since as you said, management is looking for comparison.

Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1189445)

Holy crap, that post was both right on and funny! The Monty Python troop was/are still wise beyond their time. You also get a Barney Stinson up top!!

Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1189249)

Im willing to bet scope was relaxed, again. Who wants to bet on that?

Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1189602)

I dont think you got what he was saying... United and US are concessionary rates which WILL go up leaving VA at the bottom of your little list.