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Old 05-14-2012, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by zoooropa
Per the last RJET quarterly call, CHQ is losing an additional 23 airframes in the next 12 months.

The Q's are practically already staffed.
The next nugget out there is more UAL flying on the 145 as well.
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
When are we going to stand and be united as a pilot group and stop heading over to the airlines that just put us on furlough? If no one goes over, then they will have no one to fly the planes, sad how they know they can gut an airline and be able to staff another one, that just took your flying, now cheaper because everyone is going to be on first year pay! Sad industry we are in!
Well, are you going to quit so other pilots can have it better? Or are you of the common perception that "some job" is better than "no job"? Can you really blame someone that's already in the industry and wants to keep their job? Things would only get better if pilots quit en mass, causing a bunch of the regionals to collapse, forcing the industry and major players to retrench, then with far less competition they could charge what it really costs to transport people across the country.

A better question would be:

I"s it possible to change the industry for the better while you still work in it?"
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
just stop posting, your hysterically paranoid. A ton of guys in these situations are not making lateral moves. Many will move to places like corporate or lcc's. This is just another shot in the foot that the RJs are doing to themselves, they cry they cant hire pilots, yet they do this. Supply/Demand will slap them hard here shortly, thanks to the feds and those colgan pilots in 2008.
Sorry mam, but paranoia would mean I feared something. Hysteria would then be a byproduct of something that won't affect me and thus equally inapplicable. I don't fear this inevitable reality as I won't have to live it.

You likely will.

My condolences, young lady.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Yes, the lemmings will waddle en masse over to the next carrier their planes are transferred to, to fly them on their same routes as first year pilots starting all over again. That's the future strategy for the regionals........either you do it at your own carrier the same way or we'll just transfer them and you'll do it with another employee badge.

That's why the regional industry (soon to be the majority of the domestic flying in the U.S.) is soon to be a hopeless place to spin your wheels in the mud for the "hope" of moving to a major. The majors will be contracting at the retirement rate to fund this new domestic model and thus the majority of the poor suckers who think they're getting somwhere there, won't.

Well, actually they WILL be getting somewhere everty 4 years or so, just not to a major. More like the plane and routes they just left for first year pay all over again. Man, those airline executives sure have got this pathetic profession nailed. I can't imagine just starting out............what an impending nightmare.
+1 , however in ten years there will still be a large portion of guys who are still standing around going "what the *******" and won't get it.

Originally Posted by wiz5422
+1 I hate to say it, but I really believe this is going to be true. Only way it will change is if we"pilots"stand together united and put and end to this all. But who am I joking, this will never happen and management knows this. Excatly why I am looking to get out all together.
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Confirmed from a recent MEC meeting over here that ExpressJet was offered this flying point blank from UAL. They declined because they determined that it was impossible to even break even when calculating the operating cost of the Qs versus what UAL was willing to pay for the feed. I guess if an airline had much lower operating costs they could swing it, either way its a shame the majors continually force us to lower the bar.
They don't "force" ANYTHING! They just understand how to play the game and pilots against one another.

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just wait till republic goes bk soon and this process continues on to somewhere else.
+1 yep this is why I am out! Enjoy the ride fellas; I truly wish everyone the best of luck and best wishes to your families!
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
My post referenced the idea that all the pilots just come over with the planes and be done with it. With the ****storm that we've gone through lately with our own sli, this severely rubbed me the wrong way; mainly because it's not legal for the pilots to do that without a purchase of the airline and it's cert.
You are mistaken. Some Eastern and Pan Am pilots were able to go to other airlines when the routes and planes were purchased from them. Had nothing to do with buying the certificate. Depends on fragmentation clause in the contract, etc.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:43 PM
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Republic just posted a job on climbto350 tonight specifically for Q400 pilots out of Denver. They also posted looking for sim instructors.

Guess this is gonna ramp up pretty quick or so they hope?
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:10 AM
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I find it hard to believe that republic can do the Q400 flying and make money when Colgan couldn't ... Makes me really wonder why Colgan lost that flying. ? Bet it was more than money.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:17 AM
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I find it hard to believe that republic can do the Q400 flying and make money when Colgan couldn't ... Makes me really wonder why Colgan lost that flying. ? Bet it was more than money.
It wasn't the money. It was the conditions of the DIP loan from delta. Although I imagine RAH can't do it as cheap as colgan and they will probably loose money in the long run.
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
just stop posting, your hysterically paranoid. A ton of guys in these situations are not making lateral moves. Many will move to places like corporate or lcc's. This is just another shot in the foot that the RJs are doing to themselves, they cry they cant hire pilots, yet they do this. Supply/Demand will slap them hard here shortly, thanks to the feds and those colgan pilots in 2008.
You know, denial ain't just a river in africa. You seem as someone who is realizing that they have been duped and are now taking a defensive stand.
Listen to eaglefly, he speaks the truth.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:13 AM
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Right and wrong. PAA guys were merged into UA and DL, but no EA guys went with the planes. AA bought the Latin America routes but any EA pilots were new hires.

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