Republic Airways to Fly Q400's for UAX
05-14-2012, 07:17 PM
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Yes, the lemmings will waddle en masse over to the next carrier their planes are transferred to, to fly them on their same routes as first year pilots starting all over again. That's the future strategy for the regionals........either you do it at your own carrier the same way or we'll just transfer them and you'll do it with another employee badge.
That's why the regional industry (soon to be the majority of the domestic flying in the U.S.) is soon to be a hopeless place to spin your wheels in the mud for the "hope" of moving to a major. The majors will be contracting at the retirement rate to fund this new domestic model and thus the majority of the poor suckers who think they're getting somwhere there, won't.
Well, actually they WILL be getting somewhere everty 4 years or so, just not to a major. More like the plane and routes they just left for first year pay all over again. Man, those airline executives sure have got this pathetic profession nailed. I can't imagine just starting out............what an impending nightmare.
That's why the regional industry (soon to be the majority of the domestic flying in the U.S.) is soon to be a hopeless place to spin your wheels in the mud for the "hope" of moving to a major. The majors will be contracting at the retirement rate to fund this new domestic model and thus the majority of the poor suckers who think they're getting somwhere there, won't.
Well, actually they WILL be getting somewhere everty 4 years or so, just not to a major. More like the plane and routes they just left for first year pay all over again. Man, those airline executives sure have got this pathetic profession nailed. I can't imagine just starting out............what an impending nightmare.
05-14-2012, 07:18 PM
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I don't think any Colgan pilot should be calling out another regional pilot for flying an airplane for next to nothing.
It's not a merger of any type, no acquisition, so what grounds should pilots go to planes at the same longevity? Heck, with that reasoning, Skybus pilots should have 'moved' with some of their Airbuses to Virgin America because VA got those planes next?
And that "reminds me of the old bag over the head" comment rung true for me when I found out that Pinnacle was buying a non-union airline (Colgan) and then awarding them a new 15-30 Q400 contract, while we as 9E pilots were in contract negotiations. Money on our end was funneled to fuel Colgan's purchase and Colgan's growth. All of that came at the direct expense of Pinnacle pilots.
It's not a merger of any type, no acquisition, so what grounds should pilots go to planes at the same longevity? Heck, with that reasoning, Skybus pilots should have 'moved' with some of their Airbuses to Virgin America because VA got those planes next?
And that "reminds me of the old bag over the head" comment rung true for me when I found out that Pinnacle was buying a non-union airline (Colgan) and then awarding them a new 15-30 Q400 contract, while we as 9E pilots were in contract negotiations. Money on our end was funneled to fuel Colgan's purchase and Colgan's growth. All of that came at the direct expense of Pinnacle pilots.
05-14-2012, 07:49 PM
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Keep clicking your heels Dorothy and repeat, "there's no place like home". This is only the start. The future model for the majority of domestic ops is real........you just don't recognize it yet.
05-14-2012, 07:51 PM
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Confirmed from a recent MEC meeting over here that ExpressJet was offered this flying point blank from UAL. They declined because they determined that it was impossible to even break even when calculating the operating cost of the Qs versus what UAL was willing to pay for the feed. I guess if an airline had much lower operating costs they could swing it, either way its a shame the majors continually force us to lower the bar.
05-14-2012, 08:04 PM
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I can't imagine there are a lot of guys off the street with current hiring minimums....1200TT. 200ME. 100 Instrument. Unless those numbers aren't real solid mins...
05-14-2012, 08:04 PM
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To say that the whipsaw will continue by moving the a/c around and forcing some people to perpetuate the low pay at the bottom is correct. But to say that pilots will follow " en masse" holds about as much water as AA pilots giving up scope willingly. neither will happen. Pilots at the regionals are fed up with this crap and i know more people leaving the 121 world than those interviewing at other regionals.
05-14-2012, 08:16 PM
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yes, all of us regional pilots are just "lemmings" as you said, running around chasing planes to the bottom of the hole. I cant wait until your friends at AA sell their souls to Doug Parker and give up scope to save their wallets.
To say that the whipsaw will continue by moving the a/c around and forcing some people to perpetuate the low pay at the bottom is correct. But to say that pilots will follow " en masse" holds about as much water as AA pilots giving up scope willingly. neither will happen. Pilots at the regionals are fed up with this crap and i know more people leaving the 121 world than those interviewing at other regionals.
To say that the whipsaw will continue by moving the a/c around and forcing some people to perpetuate the low pay at the bottom is correct. But to say that pilots will follow " en masse" holds about as much water as AA pilots giving up scope willingly. neither will happen. Pilots at the regionals are fed up with this crap and i know more people leaving the 121 world than those interviewing at other regionals.
If mine or most of AA pilots jobs are dissolved, you won't be seeing any if these pilots joining the regional whipsaw merry-go-round.
It's foreign to you now, but you'll get it in 4-5 years. Patience, my friend.
05-14-2012, 08:23 PM
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For many, once their current regional job is transferred, they'll put themselves out there to get whatever they can. Many won't have to concern themselves with this as their union will do it for them. Eagle is a perfect example, i.e., a contract that allows annual pay adjustments to equal that of startups.
If mine or most of AA pilots jobs are dissolved, you won't be seeing any if these pilots joining the regional whipsaw merry-go-round.
It's foreign to you now, but you'll get it in 4-5 years. Patience, my friend.
If mine or most of AA pilots jobs are dissolved, you won't be seeing any if these pilots joining the regional whipsaw merry-go-round.
It's foreign to you now, but you'll get it in 4-5 years. Patience, my friend.
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