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Old 03-09-2012, 04:50 AM
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...What happens when negotiations break down into "if you want those guys to keep their raise, what are you going to give up for it?" and suddenly it's the union's fault they're getting a pay cut...?
The VP of Labor Relations at RAH is extremely good at undermining confidence in union leadership. He is a very dangerous and formidable opponent.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....vBio&ID=214540
Ron Henson
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Ron Henson joined Republic Airways Holdings as Vice President of Labor Relations in March 2007. Prior to joining the Company, Ron was engaged in the private practice of law for almost 35 years, the last 28 of which were with the Atlanta-based firm Ford & Harrison LLP, where he was a Founding Partner and Managing Partner of the firm's Washington, DC office. For most of his legal career, the focus of Ron's practice was labor and employment law in the airline industry.

Ron graduated from the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill in 1967 and received his law degree from Emory University School of Law (J.D., with distinction), in 1972. For the last several years of his legal practice he was listed in The Best Lawyers in America ®.
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Would the union also "allow it" if management offered bonuses or raises to only the union officer pilots?

What happens when negotiations break down into "if you want those guys to keep their raise, what are you going to give up for it?" and suddenly it's the union's fault they're getting a pay cut?

The company can't just decide to pay some contract employees more. That's why they have a contract. Collective bargaining kinda implies that they can't give to some without giving to the whole collective. If the union isn't challenging this, they are obsolete.
Ummm, you must not be familiar with the way 121 companies operate. They do whatever they want and your option is to try to grieve it.
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If this is true, and you guys have been in negotiations since 2007 according to this website, why in the world would your union give up such a HUGE piece of leverage? If your CEO is willing to give your F/O's a pay raise, unilaterally, for nothing in return, that must mean he is in some sort of a desperate situation. That's leverage for a union that hasn't had a contract in years. One would think the union would say, screw you, you can't make unilateral changes to the contract, and send it for expedited grievance.

The union then tells the company that they would be happy to discuss higher F/O rates as part of a complete collective bargaining agreement, and we're ready to send a comprehensive agreement for ALL of our pilots "tomorrow" when you slide an appropriate one across the table.

If the union allows the company band-aids as needed, what impetus does the company have to ever finish a contract? There has to be more to this story?
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Ummm, you must not be familiar with the way 121 companies operate. They do whatever they want and your option is to try to grieve it.
Ummm, or they could go to the arbitrator and say the company has thrown out the contractual pay tables, thus violating the status quo during Section 6 negotiations.

And then request authorization for self-help.
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Ummm, or they could go to the arbitrator and say the company has thrown out the contractual pay tables, thus violating the status quo during Section 6 negotiations.

And then request authorization for self-help.
I'm no lawyer, but if they can do that, even better! They'll have a contract within 30 days in that case, I bet
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:37 AM
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Ummm, you must not be familiar with the way 121 companies operate. They do whatever they want and your option is to try to grieve it.
Ummm, or they could go to the arbitrator and say the company has thrown out the contractual pay tables, thus violating the status quo during Section 6 negotiations.

And then request authorization for self-help.

I think this is precisely what is going to happen. I just hope all RAH FOs realize how much leverage this takes away from our negotiating committee. The company needs to attract pilots and now. Only way im willing to help is if im voting on a TA.
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:47 AM
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Might as well write into future contracts that any deliberate net gain for the pilot group (as decided by the Union) will serve as an amendment to the contract and cannot be taken away blah blah blah. A pay increase is a good thing. Allowing the company to break the contract is a slippery slope. So write an agreement into the contract that makes a pay increase allowable under contract. Obviously the union legal team would have to work on the wording but it seems like a good idea to put in contracts just in case.
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If they want to attract pilots its a way to do it. Better suck them all in before the new regs go into effect next summer! Would make a pay cut to have better QoL seem easier!
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It appears the IBT will take this up with the NMB.
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