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01-24-2012, 08:24 PM
#83
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
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I am based in MKE and I always say hello, chit chat, and act like a gentleman. This isn't a personal issue between the pilots, and it isn't an issue between us and the company. It most definitely is a personal issue between the IBT leadership and the Frontier pilots. The IBT AD is a bunch of hypocritical, self serving, duplicitous, and misleading bunch. Back to this in a moment...
This will cause some thread drift but since you mentioned the IBT's favorite word "whipsaw"...
How in the world can he "whipsaw us both"? I have asked this question literally 100's of times and have yet to receive an answer.
The only threat of a whipsaw is if native RAH pilots attempt lower the pay and QOL of the Frontier flying. Bedford already asked us to put 190 rates in our CBA. They were higher than your 190 rates and we still said NO.
The "rouse" union you refer to, RPC, was established as a last attempt to prevent the imposition of IBT on all Frontier pilots. The IBT claimed a council "never works" and is a "violation of IBT C&B's". Ironically, the same IBT has established a council for the Flight Attendants at RAH due to the fact that they do not have the numbers to win an election over the AFA. The Frontier pilot group voted for the RPC because we believed a council was the only way to represent both groups. The IBT wouldn't listen because they didn't have to listen, they had 2000 votes and we had 700. The IBT only cares about the IBT, and a majority of the Frontier pilots (95+%) will never be members.
Everything the IBT has done with the FA's and AFA is exactly what the Frontier pilots and FAPA attempted to do. The difference is the fact that the IBT couldn't win against the AFA and they couldn't lose against FAPA, oh and that little fact that the AFA didn't have anything the IBT wanted and we have a few things the IBT really wants.
Speaking of never, we will never "unite" and there will never be a "next contract" for all of us. We will separate, you guys can have your wish and we will have ours.
This will cause some thread drift but since you mentioned the IBT's favorite word "whipsaw"...
How in the world can he "whipsaw us both"? I have asked this question literally 100's of times and have yet to receive an answer.
The only threat of a whipsaw is if native RAH pilots attempt lower the pay and QOL of the Frontier flying. Bedford already asked us to put 190 rates in our CBA. They were higher than your 190 rates and we still said NO.
The "rouse" union you refer to, RPC, was established as a last attempt to prevent the imposition of IBT on all Frontier pilots. The IBT claimed a council "never works" and is a "violation of IBT C&B's". Ironically, the same IBT has established a council for the Flight Attendants at RAH due to the fact that they do not have the numbers to win an election over the AFA. The Frontier pilot group voted for the RPC because we believed a council was the only way to represent both groups. The IBT wouldn't listen because they didn't have to listen, they had 2000 votes and we had 700. The IBT only cares about the IBT, and a majority of the Frontier pilots (95+%) will never be members.
Everything the IBT has done with the FA's and AFA is exactly what the Frontier pilots and FAPA attempted to do. The difference is the fact that the IBT couldn't win against the AFA and they couldn't lose against FAPA, oh and that little fact that the AFA didn't have anything the IBT wanted and we have a few things the IBT really wants.
Speaking of never, we will never "unite" and there will never be a "next contract" for all of us. We will separate, you guys can have your wish and we will have ours.
I believe that we'll get whipsawed if and when F9 is "sold" off to a financial group that BB is either on the board of or at the very least has the ear of and will vote his way. Then they go to you and tell you to fly the 190s for some ****ty amount or lose some of the Bus flying. Then they come to RW and offer a pay raise to fly more F9 routes and back and forth it goes.
The history of pilots as a collective is to get theirs. You don't have to look very far back to see how the scope release that created the regionals ****ed over every pilot that had to take the "new" regional job. Management and top teer pilots, of the day, pi$$ed all over the next generation of pilots to come. If regional pilots, many of whom at poverty wages, see a chance to get more money I believe they will. I personally wouldn't because I see what they are up to and how it screws every pilot in the end. The QOL and pay of f9 will suffer if they spin you off and still have ANY control of you. The best bet is to pay RAH back and get as far away from them as possible. Anyone else would be better.
We all know that RPC was FAPA under a new name even if it was a last attempt it was a attempt to rouse the RAH pilots.
I just want whats best for the industry as a whole and while I am paying dearly for it financially am willing to do my part to protect what I see as the end game. It just unfortunate that most airlines management at both levels (legacy and regionals) are squeezing us at both ends with few exceptions.
01-25-2012, 07:24 AM
#87
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: V1. No turning back now.
Posts: 442
I'm still amazed that they are even hiring. Hell, a few months ago they were looking to furlough. What's going on over there? Still, why work for them and cap out in pay 4th year or so as an FO at what? $37 per hour? Express Jet is hiring, SkyWest is hiring and they both pay more than that...
01-25-2012, 07:57 AM
#88
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 164
I'm still amazed that they are even hiring. Hell, a few months ago they were looking to furlough. What's going on over there? Still, why work for them and cap out in pay 4th year or so as an FO at what? $37 per hour? Express Jet is hiring, SkyWest is hiring and they both pay more than that...
I'd work for XJET but they have to invite me for an interview first ;-)
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