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Old 01-26-2012, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SUX4U
. In reality though when that fence comes down... how many of those guys higher on the list really are going to either still be on property or actually have the desire to share a potential hostile work environment? It may look bad on paper, but the reality might not be anywhere near as bad as some are making it.
Believe me, I'm trying to feel better about the seniority hit at retirement being only 100%-500% vs the 1500% that it is on paper right now. It's just not working though...any other ideas?

For the record, I say hi to every RAH pilot I see, and only get responses from maybe 50%.

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Do you feel $23.41/hr is fair compensation for sitting in the right seat of a 99 seat jet?
"Fair" has very little to do with it; it's all about "better than the alternative". I think that for being the back-up captain of a $30 million airplane with 100+ people on board, "fair" would be in the range of $40K the first year and $80K the second year. The only way you get paid what is "fair" is for absolutely nobody to take the job for less than that, and then wait a long time (5-10 years?) for supply and demand to produce fair wages. Or to accept the time at "unfair" wages and go somewhere else later.


Should David Siegel scare us? I don't get a good vibe from what I read online.

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Old 01-26-2012, 11:23 AM
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Anyone coming here with the thought of "if I go now, the new contract will be better and it wont be so bad!" WAKE UP!!!! Company just spit in our faces yet again in negotiations. Don't come here... Don't apply, don't interview, and if you do interview...half way through tell the interviewer that it's disgusting what they are paying pilots and get up and walk out. As long as folks come here it wont change!
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Emb170man
Anyone coming here with the thought of "if I go now, the new contract will be better and it wont be so bad!" WAKE UP!!!! Company just spit in our faces yet again in negotiations. Don't come here... Don't apply, don't interview, and if you do interview...half way through tell the interviewer that it's disgusting what they are paying pilots and get up and walk out. As long as folks come here it wont change!

I Agree with you!
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:37 PM
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Sorry to hijack the thread here. One huge step closer to separation!

INDIANAPOLIS--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Republic Airways (NASDAQ: RJET - News) today announced that David Siegel will join the Company as CEO, President, and interim Chief Operating Officer of Frontier Airlines, a wholly owned subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. Siegel’s appointment is another step towards the goal of making Frontier Airlines a viable, strong and independent business. Siegel and the entire Frontier executive team will be based at Frontier’s headquarters in Denver, Colo.

Siegel comes to Frontier with a wealth of relevant CEO experience. Siegel previously served as CEO of XOJET, gategroup, US Airways and Avis Budget, in addition to other key leadership roles in the airline industry. Siegel served as lead independent director on the Republic Airways (RAH) Board of Directors and will give up that role, but will remain on the board in this new position.

“Dave is an incredible talent with the skills to lead Frontier during its separation process from Republic and continue its transformation into a profitable ultra-low-cost-carrier,” said Bryan Bedford, Chairman, President and CEO of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. “We believe that Dave’s combination of travel industry and restructuring experience makes him uniquely well suited for the task at hand. Placing Frontier in Dave’s capable care affords me the opportunity to fully focus my time and energy on the regional airline segment of our business.”

Republic also announced the addition of new senior officers for Frontier’s finance and commercial team, among other changes in the executive leadership team.

Robert Ashcroft has joined Frontier as Senior Vice President, Finance. Ashcroft will work closely with Siegel and Bedford in the project of moving Frontier towards independence, as well as defining opportunities to ensure profitable growth for the Company. Ashcroft has an unusually diverse background encompassing finance, planning and IT. Most recently he was at Allegiant Travel Company overseeing network and capacity planning, scheduling, pricing and investor relations.

Daniel Shurz has been promoted to the role of Senior Vice President, Commercial for Frontier and will have responsibility for all commercial activities, including network planning, pricing and revenue management, marketing, product and brand definition. Daniel joined Frontier as Vice President of Strategy and Planning in 2009.

Greg Aretakis is assuming an expanded role as Vice President of Network and Revenue Management, adding responsibility for scheduling and planning, sales and distribution to his current portfolio. Greg previously served as the Company’s Vice President of Revenue Production.

Dan Krause has been promoted to Vice President of Marketing and Customer Experience for Frontier. Dan has been with Frontier since 2004 and most recently served as Senior Director, Commercial Strategy and Customer Experience.
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bolo
Sorry to hijack the thread here. One huge step closer to separation!

INDIANAPOLIS--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Republic Airways (NASDAQ: RJET - News) today announced that David Siegel will join the Company as CEO, President, and interim Chief Operating Officer of Frontier Airlines, a wholly owned subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. Siegel’s appointment is another step towards the goal of making Frontier Airlines a viable, strong and independent business. Siegel and the entire Frontier executive team will be based at Frontier’s headquarters in Denver, Colo.

Siegel comes to Frontier with a wealth of relevant CEO experience. Siegel previously served as CEO of XOJET, gategroup, US Airways and Avis Budget, in addition to other key leadership roles in the airline industry. Siegel served as lead independent director on the Republic Airways (RAH) Board of Directors and will give up that role, but will remain on the board in this new position.

“Dave is an incredible talent with the skills to lead Frontier during its separation process from Republic and continue its transformation into a profitable ultra-low-cost-carrier,” said Bryan Bedford, Chairman, President and CEO of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. “We believe that Dave’s combination of travel industry and restructuring experience makes him uniquely well suited for the task at hand. Placing Frontier in Dave’s capable care affords me the opportunity to fully focus my time and energy on the regional airline segment of our business.”

Republic also announced the addition of new senior officers for Frontier’s finance and commercial team, among other changes in the executive leadership team.

Robert Ashcroft has joined Frontier as Senior Vice President, Finance. Ashcroft will work closely with Siegel and Bedford in the project of moving Frontier towards independence, as well as defining opportunities to ensure profitable growth for the Company. Ashcroft has an unusually diverse background encompassing finance, planning and IT. Most recently he was at Allegiant Travel Company overseeing network and capacity planning, scheduling, pricing and investor relations.

Daniel Shurz has been promoted to the role of Senior Vice President, Commercial for Frontier and will have responsibility for all commercial activities, including network planning, pricing and revenue management, marketing, product and brand definition. Daniel joined Frontier as Vice President of Strategy and Planning in 2009.

Greg Aretakis is assuming an expanded role as Vice President of Network and Revenue Management, adding responsibility for scheduling and planning, sales and distribution to his current portfolio. Greg previously served as the Company’s Vice President of Revenue Production.

Dan Krause has been promoted to Vice President of Marketing and Customer Experience for Frontier. Dan has been with Frontier since 2004 and most recently served as Senior Director, Commercial Strategy and Customer Experience.

I wish you guys all the best after the seperation. I really do mean that. However, the new CEO is not a good thing. This guys plans rarely involve maintaining a healthy airline. Hopefully once you are away from RAH, you guys can get a real leader.
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Old 01-26-2012, 06:52 PM
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I'm not happy with them either but I pay my dues in hopes that if the **** hits the fan I might still have a job at the end of it all. At least the IBT doesn't have union pilots that get tens of thousands more on their pay check like some FAPA leaders did. Its no wonder FAPA raised such a stink to keep their kicker money.
According to the Local 357, in a letter written last week to all Frontier pilots, the Local 357 spent $324,126 in salaries and benefits between July 2010 and July 2011. That isn't Local 747, or Local 1224, it is only Local 357.

$324,126 in salary and benefits. You do realize that you are paying, amongst other things, for Doug T's pension, right?

Yep, the FAPA leaders flew the line, worked on their days off, were restricted from padding their schedule with open time, and collected a salary from the union. However, FAPA has never in its history spent $324,126 on salary and benefits in one twelve month period.

Those same guys that "raised such a stink to keep their kicker money" are still busting their rear ends for the Frontier pilot group, every day, now more than ever. So much for your theory.
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Old 01-27-2012, 06:52 AM
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Can we stay on topic please? Until we separate, F9 is stuck with IBT. End. of. story.

So people, please tell me why you're considering RAH? Are you into S & M too?
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:34 AM
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According to the Local 357, in a letter written last week to all Frontier pilots, the Local 357 spent $324,126 in salaries and benefits between July 2010 and July 2011. That isn't Local 747, or Local 1224, it is only Local 357.
What was the date of that letter because I see nothing in the archives on the 357 site? And since you didn't post what the FAPA payments were you can't say they didn't pay that much or more. From my understanding they did pay quite a sum of money to the pilots that worked there. Our pilots are mostly volunteers that are paid a agreed minimum by the company to do union business on certain days of the month, Not a big bonus check added to the regular one. Thats my understanding anyway.
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Old 01-27-2012, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SD3Dog
Our pilots are mostly volunteers that are paid a agreed minimum by the company to do union business on certain days of the month, Not a big bonus check added to the regular one.
Hence the paucity of candidates in your election (or non-election). When you have only one candidate for each position, how certain are you that you're getting quality representation? Even the amount that our FAPA reps are compensated isn't enough to get a large pool of candidates, in part because it's less than they would make for flying instead.

Which raises the question - why are you paying more than we are for salaries? You'd rather have your dues money go to represent plumbers, electricians, etc. than be paid to your fellow pilots to represent your personal interests?
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Old 01-27-2012, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SD3Dog
This is the kind of DB I'm talking about. Someone who blames ALL the pilots for what Management and the Union do. Get it through your head. We native RAH pilots have little if any control over what the union does much less Mgmt. I never meet a pilot here that wanted anything to do with F9 or Mdw. As to the union, though they are pilots at our (and now your) union, they only want whats best for everyone. Why do you think the arbitrator took our bid for seniority? FAPA and Mdw wanted to staple us! We bought you not the other way around. I know it stings that a regional bought you but deal with it like a man and thank a RAH native that you still have a pay check. I got a pittance of a Christmas bonus because of the things management has done with all this BS but I don't blame you for it. By your logic I should blame you for taking money out of my pocket? For the record, I don't. Get real, Just be glad there's a fence and deal with it. Its a ****ing airline for God's sake! How can you expect anything different? Pay your dues like everyone else does. When I got furloughed the first thing I got from the IBT was a bill for 125.00. I'm not happy with them either but I pay my dues in hopes that if the **** hits the fan I might still have a job at the end of it all. At least the IBT doesn't have union pilots that get tens of thousands more on their pay check like some FAPA leaders did. Its no wonder FAPA raised such a stink to keep their kicker money. The IBT747 was a bunch of crooks but the new 357 is trying their best to do what they can for US ALL. The only beef with any pilot I would have is if they were a SCAB. Other than that we are all just trying to make a living. Lighten up a little you'll live longer.
1.) Is the IBT 357 some rogue union that is acting against the wishes of it's membership? If so, the membership needs to get that fixed, or get a new union.

2.) The holding company that owns your airline also bought Frontier Airlines. Why is it that because of that you feel entitled to rape and invade the Frontier seniority list? You were hired to fly for a regional airline and transport another airline's passengers. You have not been working to finance some corporate transaction that your holding company chose. If Acme Flight Instructors of Indiana were to buy Republic Airlines, should all those CFIs be entitled to the top spots on your list? By your logic, they should.

3.) I also am trying to make a living. You and your IBT 357 are directly threatening that. It offends me to have to pay dues to an organization that is trying to destroy my career and my ability to make a living.
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