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Old 10-19-2011, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey
You are confused. BB is selling ERJs because they are unprofitable in the branded operation. One of two scenarios is likely.

1. He will BUY Airbus aircraft with the money he gets from selling ERJs.

2. The buyer of Frontier doesn't want the 190s and they can't be used elsewhere in the RAH network.
But they are selling the ERJ part of the E170 & E190 and the few Dash-8 they kept. That sounds like allot of airplanes. They can't find anyone to fly these airplanes for?
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey
One list would have been fine if it was a realistic list that was fair and equitable to all parties. Unfortunately, the IBT chose not to participate in a reasonable mediation with the other parties.

Instead the IBT 'shot for the moon' with arbitrator Eishen and got it.

The resulting lopsided, unrealistic SLI guaranteed that the groups could never work together on any kind of 'one list', and as such, guaranteed a separation/sale of the Frontier product.

If the IBT had agreed to a reasonable mediated solution, 'one list' could have been workable and beneficial for all parties.

Instead, you will see Frontier sold. You will also see your 190s and some smaller branded ERJs disappear. Thank you IBT.
So, what would have been a realistic SLI award, workable and beneficial for all parties? While I agree the award was far from perfect (I got screwed royally), the other proposals were basically a staple of native RAHers to list of the other proposing parties. Can't say that's fair either.
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:29 AM
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Fair to a f9 guy is to staple everyone else below them. What is fair is the current SLI that all parties agreed to binding arbitration.

Why don't you guys get that?
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey:1071779
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And let them walk all over section 1 of the contract? Yeah not a smart idea. It's important for the entire RAH family to have one list to avoid whipsaw.
One list would have been fine if it was a realistic list that was fair and equitable to all parties. Unfortunately, the IBT chose not to participate in a reasonable mediation with the other parties.

Instead the IBT 'shot for the moon' with arbitrator Eishen and got it.

The resulting lopsided, unrealistic SLI guaranteed that the groups could never work together on any kind of 'one list', and as such, guaranteed a separation/sale of the Frontier product.

If the IBT had agreed to a reasonable mediated solution, 'one list' could have been workable and beneficial for all parties.

Instead, you will see Frontier sold. You will also see your 190s and some smaller branded ERJs disappear. Thank you IBT.

Just want to make one point clear, we would LOVE to see the frontier side sold. RAH would lose a few airplanes, but its a small price to pay for ridding yourself of an endless money pit. On that note, as long as f9 is a part of RAH, there needs to be one list, end of story.
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Old 10-19-2011, 11:59 AM
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Where are these planes coming from? Are they getting rid of 170's too?
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
Just want to make one point clear, we would LOVE to see the frontier side sold. RAH would lose a few airplanes, but its a small price to pay for ridding yourself of an endless money pit. On that note, as long as f9 is a part of RAH, there needs to be one list, end of story.
It will be sold. The only other option will be shutting it down and selling the pieces. Do most of the RAH pilots feel the same way you do? If so, then can we count on the IBT NOT suing for your "arbitrated seniority" once we are sold?
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Old 10-19-2011, 12:25 PM
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Does this mean when the 190s are sold they will get rid of the 190 crews like they did with the 717 crews?
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Old 10-19-2011, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by division1TE
170s aren't going anywhere, Shuttle and RPA fly the 170s for Delta, UAL, CAL, and airways
You might want to look at the company website again, click on the link and look at the 3 shinny E170 that are up for sale/lease. Could this be more management games, just like the furloughs - only time will tell!
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Old 10-19-2011, 03:45 PM
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I could be wrong but sounds to me like contract negotiations a la bb style. Doom and gloom has always been this guys M.O and we're getting down to the 2 minute warning
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Originally Posted by Car Ramrod:1071912
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Just want to make one point clear, we would LOVE to see the frontier side sold. RAH would lose a few airplanes, but its a small price to pay for ridding yourself of an endless money pit. On that note, as long as f9 is a part of RAH, there needs to be one list, end of story.
It will be sold. The only other option will be shutting it down and selling the pieces. Do most of the RAH pilots feel the same way you do? If so, then can we count on the IBT NOT suing for your "arbitrated seniority" once we are sold?

As much as you hate it, its just seniority. The list is what it is no matter how much you wish otherwise. If a sale occurs, there are many variables to consider. Does the fence ensure only f9 pilots go? Better question is will the buyer want to keep the pilots? A million things need to happen before a lawsuit would be in consideration. To answer your question directly, i dont have a clue what the ibt would do.
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