Bricky

judges don't worry about precedent? ummmm

QRH Bingo

Okay, maybe "worry" was not the best word to use; I was just using the same word you had used. Sure, judges are people too and can attempt to look ahead as to how a ruling might change things in the future but that is not how they should be making their rulings. Precedent happens all the time, for better or for worse.

I will say again, judges are to rule based on the facts of the case and how they apply to current law. Personal feelings have no place in their rulings.

Bricky

that's what they should do. i do think we​ see a lot of judges ruling based on emotion

i think the amount is punitive and time spent as fo should count instead of be worthless. if the judge doesn't agree i think the next round of contracts will be much much much worse. skywest and gojet already have longer contracts (2yrs versus 1,600hours pic but the money is less rn) and who knows what's next? i know you think they will only rule based on the law but i got to hope they look at the future.

​​​​​if there's no limit to what they can do to new hires then why wouldn't they go further? the gov isn't going to create a law just to protect brand new pilots

QRH Bingo

I never said how I believe any judge will rule on this particular matter, only how they should rule. But, yes, I agree that judges bring emotion into their rulings all the time. However, that has never been the intent of a judge's role but humans are humans.

I do not agree with these contracts, but why would/should a judge rule on this matter to "protect" a new-hire? One is not forced into this contract AFTER beginning employment (yes, I am aware there are rumors that the first batch had this slapped down in front of them after starting class. I am not referencing this group, but those who were advised well ahead of time).

If one does not like it, seek employment elsewhere. Should every carrier enact contracts, applications will eventually dry up. Could take 10 years, sure, but it's all about supply & demand. In fact, if each one of you who signed this thing right at the start would have refused, denied, and walked away, bringing applications down to zero, RPA would have been forced to reevaluate their strategy. However, there was this mad FOMO rush just to get in as CJOs began to dwindle that RPA became the winner.

I get it, one needs to work, make decent money, provide for their family, pay off debt and maybe advance their career.... (insert reason here)... and so many signed it. RPA preyed on these situations with this contract, which I disagree with, but certainly does not make it illegal.