peaches

There has to be a mandate before one can be complied with is all I’m saying. Seems like this administration is betting on companies jumping the gun and having their employees get the vaccine to comply with a federal mandate without having to issue the mandate. You can’t unvaccinate yourself so they get their cake and eat it too.


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SonicFlyer

Well everything is unfortunately assumed to be legal by TPTB until it is proven not to be; that's how these creeps think despite something being blatantly unconstitutional. So it could take a few years to worm its way through the courts.

But even so companies do not want to be on the bad side of the government because the government, like the mafia, can cause other problems for the company.... "mandate the vax or else"... more audits, less contracts, more regulations, more inspection, more enforcement action, investigations, etc.

Whoever said "land of the free" is either ignorant or lying

SonicFlyer

Unless employees quit, strike, sickout, change employment, etc.

SonicFlyer

I bet during contract renewal this becomes an issue? And for the WO's wouldn't the majors have the ability to make this dicate?

Longhornmaniac8

Perhaps we're going back and forth over semantics, but I'd argue that these two things together constitute a mandate:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...l-contractors/

https://www.saferfederalworkforce.go...c_20210922.pdf

Mind you, I'm not making a comment about its constitutionality, even though I think the existing precedent probably supports it, but this is the Federal Government mandating vaccines for all employees of Federal contractors.

Hedley

They won’t do that. With the exception of a few lifers at every company, the regionals are staffed by people willing to endure their time at the regionals to gain marketable experience and move onto better paying jobs. The companies that they eventually want to work for require proof of vaccination as a condition for employment.

When contracts are eventually renegotiated it could potentially become an issue. If a parent company demanded vaccination, a regional could have no choice because scope is maxed out and they can’t take their planes elsewhere. A big regional like Republic owns most of the planes that they fly, but they don’t own any of the flying. On the other hand, a legacy couldn’t just quickly shift the flying to someone like SkyWest or take it in house because neither company has excess lift or staff. I don’t know when those contracts are due though. Air Wisconsin is due soon, but I really don’t see a 50 seat only airline getting their contract renewed.

rickair7777

Are pilots going to spend negotiating capital trying to prevent *hypopthetical* future company vaccine mandates? I doubt it since a large majority of pilots just get vaccines anyway.

I sure won't if the fed mandate holds up... no point in trading away money or QOL for vaccine protections that the fed can over-ride at will. That's like insisting the company write age 70 retirements into the contract.

Sure, one of several perks to being wholly pwned.

And for any regional, as sub-contractors to a government contractor they may also be subject to the mandate...

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/to...deral-1068098/

KirillTheThrill

I’ll assume this thread was created from an interview conducted yesterday on CNBC. Why was this can of worms even opened by the communications chairman for APA?

I’ll help you guys out with a link.

https://youtu.be/H6u0WxUUj08

afcraig2010

Well Horizon was quick to jump on the mandate bandwagon. December 1 is the deadline to be fully vaccinated per the definition of each vaccine.

Andy Dufresne

My primary issue with these mandates is that it’s purely theater. If any of these airlines cared about implementing CDC recommended safety guidelines, they would all mandate masks be worn in the flight deck. They don’t. Doors close - masks off. Doors open - masks on.

Theater.

I hope more pilot groups start calling the bluff.