Not honoring approved Part 141 sim time??
08-24-2019, 09:45 AM
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Not honoring approved Part 141 sim time??
Hi all,
Just got word that several people that were going to use approved Part 141 sim time for their total time got told they can't count it. Any reason behind this? Recruiters are still telling people that we can use up to 100 hours of sim time to go towards our total time but it sounds like the training department says something else. I start training in three weeks and was hoping to use some sim time to go towards my total time. Anyone have any insight on this?
Just got word that several people that were going to use approved Part 141 sim time for their total time got told they can't count it. Any reason behind this? Recruiters are still telling people that we can use up to 100 hours of sim time to go towards our total time but it sounds like the training department says something else. I start training in three weeks and was hoping to use some sim time to go towards my total time. Anyone have any insight on this?
08-24-2019, 09:53 AM
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141 sim time isn't in an faa approved, level d simulator.
The Sim time you can use towards your total time is usually from things like your sim time in the atp-ctp course, or the Sims later in your training.
A frasca or red bird for a 172 is not going to cut it with what you're referring to.
The Sim time you can use towards your total time is usually from things like your sim time in the atp-ctp course, or the Sims later in your training.
A frasca or red bird for a 172 is not going to cut it with what you're referring to.
08-24-2019, 09:57 AM
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Correct. I logged mine in a Level 6 FTD and people from my university in the past have had it count at Republic for several years. I have it in writing that I'm good to go from the recruiters but I don't want to show up to INDOC and be told to go home.
08-24-2019, 10:19 AM
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Your FAA check airman will take that written letter from the Recruiter you handed over, excuse themselves, then head to the bathroom to wipe their ass with it.
Recruiters get things like this wrong all the time, because most of them are not pilots and none of them are FAA check airman. There have been more instances then one can count where a student has been sent home from class because the recruiters hired them thinking they were fully qualified when they were not.
Not saying what you claim is right or wrong (have no idea what level 6 ftd actually is. Is it like a redbird? if so yeah that wont count), but just telling you the reality to never trust what a recruiter promises you.
Recruiters get things like this wrong all the time, because most of them are not pilots and none of them are FAA check airman. There have been more instances then one can count where a student has been sent home from class because the recruiters hired them thinking they were fully qualified when they were not.
Not saying what you claim is right or wrong (have no idea what level 6 ftd actually is. Is it like a redbird? if so yeah that wont count), but just telling you the reality to never trust what a recruiter promises you.
08-24-2019, 10:23 AM
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Your FAA check airman will take that written letter from the Recruiter you handed over, excuse themselves, then head to the bathroom to wipe their ass with it.
Recruiters get things like this wrong all the time, because most of them are not pilots and none of them are FAA check airman. There have been more instances then one can count where a student has been sent home from class because the recruiters hired them thinking they were fully qualified when they were not.
Recruiters get things like this wrong all the time, because most of them are not pilots and none of them are FAA check airman. There have been more instances then one can count where a student has been sent home from class because the recruiters hired them thinking they were fully qualified when they were not.
08-24-2019, 10:31 AM
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Yep, I didn't have that R-ATP statement on my transcript that I thought you needed for your checkride if you qualified for it. I asked the recruiting department if I needed to get a new one with it on it before my start date. They said no, all you need is your transcript and you will be good if that FAA pdf shows your college as one of the approved R-ATP programs, which it did.
Fast forward 6 weeks later two days before my ATP oral, we happen to have a company FAA check airman come in our classroom to kind of tell us what to expect on the oral. At the end during the Q&A this popped back in my head and I thought I better ask him just to make sure. He said absolutely you need it, or a certified certificate from the school that states you qualify for the R-ATP, otherwise you will not be eligible for the oral with only 1250 hours.
It took a whole afternoon with few frantic phone calls back to my school and next day air package to get that certificate in time for my oral. Something I could have easily gotten done before starting class if the recruiting department knew what they were talking about.
Fast forward 6 weeks later two days before my ATP oral, we happen to have a company FAA check airman come in our classroom to kind of tell us what to expect on the oral. At the end during the Q&A this popped back in my head and I thought I better ask him just to make sure. He said absolutely you need it, or a certified certificate from the school that states you qualify for the R-ATP, otherwise you will not be eligible for the oral with only 1250 hours.
It took a whole afternoon with few frantic phone calls back to my school and next day air package to get that certificate in time for my oral. Something I could have easily gotten done before starting class if the recruiting department knew what they were talking about.
08-24-2019, 10:39 AM
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Yep, I didn't have that R-ATP statement on my transcript that I thought you needed for your checkride if you qualified for it. I asked the recruiting department if I needed to get a new one with it on it before my start date. They said no, all you need is your transcript and you will be good if that FAA pdf shows your college as one of the approved R-ATP programs, which it did.
Fast forward 6 weeks later two days before my ATP oral, we happen to have a company FAA check airman come in our classroom to kind of tell us what to expect on the oral. At the end during the Q&A this popped back in my head and I thought I better ask him just to make sure. He said absolutely you need it, or a certified certificate from the school that states you qualify for the R-ATP, otherwise you will not be eligible for the oral with only 1250 hours.
It took a whole afternoon with few frantic phone calls back to my school and next day air package to get that certificate in time for my oral. Something I could have easily gotten done before starting class if the recruiting department knew what they were talking about.
Fast forward 6 weeks later two days before my ATP oral, we happen to have a company FAA check airman come in our classroom to kind of tell us what to expect on the oral. At the end during the Q&A this popped back in my head and I thought I better ask him just to make sure. He said absolutely you need it, or a certified certificate from the school that states you qualify for the R-ATP, otherwise you will not be eligible for the oral with only 1250 hours.
It took a whole afternoon with few frantic phone calls back to my school and next day air package to get that certificate in time for my oral. Something I could have easily gotten done before starting class if the recruiting department knew what they were talking about.
08-24-2019, 01:08 PM
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The only way your 141 sim time in an FTD will count is if on the FTD’s LOA it’ll say something like can be used for the following:
Total Aeronautical experience
I went over this with the FAA and my school. The FAA wants the copy of the LOA if you’re going to use it for a checkride. Keep in mind most 141 FTDs aren’t approved for that at all.
Total Aeronautical experience
I went over this with the FAA and my school. The FAA wants the copy of the LOA if you’re going to use it for a checkride. Keep in mind most 141 FTDs aren’t approved for that at all.
09-14-2019, 04:52 AM
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141 sim time isn't in an faa approved, level d simulator.
The Sim time you can use towards your total time is usually from things like your sim time in the atp-ctp course, or the Sims later in your training.
A frasca or red bird for a 172 is not going to cut it with what you're referring to.
The Sim time you can use towards your total time is usually from things like your sim time in the atp-ctp course, or the Sims later in your training.
A frasca or red bird for a 172 is not going to cut it with what you're referring to.
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