Compass rumor again?
03-10-2019, 05:08 PM
#72
On Guard!
Joined APC: Mar 2019
Posts: 1,181
Non-ALPA > ALPA Regional.
EDV’s CBA followed RAH’s CBA.
This was proven way in the beginning.
Then some Nancy’s get on because they got a little offended that the point was proven. So now we’re here due to the maturity of a couple momma basement dwellers who have zero connection to Republic.
Good day.
EDV’s CBA followed RAH’s CBA.
This was proven way in the beginning.
Then some Nancy’s get on because they got a little offended that the point was proven. So now we’re here due to the maturity of a couple momma basement dwellers who have zero connection to Republic.
Good day.
Anyway back to the original thread: the compass rumor is the same crap as last year. Honestly what benefit does RP have in dealing with a merger?
03-10-2019, 06:42 PM
#73
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 151
So, Compass flies 175's and so does YX. Coincidence, I think not!
03-10-2019, 08:07 PM
#74
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 579
Non-ALPA > ALPA Regional.
EDV’s CBA followed RAH’s CBA.
This was proven way in the beginning.
Then some Nancy’s get on because they got a little offended that the point was proven. So now we’re here due to the maturity of a couple momma basement dwellers who have zero connection to Republic.
Good day.
EDV’s CBA followed RAH’s CBA.
This was proven way in the beginning.
Then some Nancy’s get on because they got a little offended that the point was proven. So now we’re here due to the maturity of a couple momma basement dwellers who have zero connection to Republic.
Good day.
stabapch claim #1: IBT>>>>ALPA
Evidence: RAH Contract 2015 was industry shattering because IBT is awesome.
Facts: RAH management approached pilots with rates they wanted to pay, IBT/pilots accepted those rates. Resulting contract 2015 was within the pattern and moving things forward, as every contract cycle should do. Subsequently in late 2016 9E management decided they wanted to change the game and offered their pilots rates outside the pattern. In a reactionary move RAH offered new rates again in 2018, but stil not up to the new pattern 9E established.
To be clear, all of these pay moves were management initiated. Yet somehow IBT accepting pattern rates and second tier rates = ZOMG IBT PWNS ALPA, while 9E ALPA accepting industry leading rates = stupid mainline union that doesn’t care about regionals. The cognitive dissonance is baffling, to say the least.
stabapch claim #2: ComAir was wholly owned and DL shut them down ergo Endeavor is obviously shutting down.
Evidence: As best as I can ascertain the supporting evidence provided has been “9E pilots feel secure and think that DL should give them more.”
Facts: The relationship between ComAir management and DL management was tumultuous to say the least. At the end ComAir management made a bet that DL was so beholden to their lift that they had leverage to make demands. DL called their bluff and parceled out their flying to contractors at cut rates. This was done during a pilot saturated market, with other carriers who had staff already on hand to replace the lift.
Flash forward to Endeavor, whose management team are Delta employees, where multiple leadership teams have turned over to bigger and better things within DL. A leadership team that is making zero demands of Delta and is operating directly as instructed by Delta. Other than the fact that Delta owned both, the relationships and operating realities couldn’t be further apart.
Conclusions: stab is either a sad, sad man with delusions of grandeur, or an absolutely legendary troll. In either case I have now expended entirely too much effort, and you are welcome to continue spewing whatever nonsense it is you have been trying to convey.
03-10-2019, 08:53 PM
#75
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Posts: 151
I hate to get drawn into the ridiculous tit for tat on here but I will say as for the Comair situation compared to today I think there is strong evidence that management at Delta and to a lesser extent AA and United have changed their philosophy. Maybe they believe in the "pilot shortage"; Republic has the 2nd best pay rates in the industry, they get paid by the big 3 on a per flight basis. With these rates it has to cost more for Republic to provide the same service as a Mesa, Compass, etc would. Endeavor has the highest pay so likewise. Which leads me to believe that Delta management has a longer term view, 1) Delta has been aggressive in their drive to become the highest quality airline in the U.S. and they don't want bottom feeder regionals representing their product (apparently AA is starting down this road with telling Mesa they need to step up their program, United apparently still doesn't care), 2) They don't want disruptions in service as the pilot supply tightens, everyone in the industry knows EDV and Republic have no shortage of applicants. AA's strategy is to provide flow as a means to attract pilots without an increased cost by paying crap compared to 9E and YX. United's plan is to start buying regionals a la ExpressJet and use CPP to lure pilots while paying crap wages, CommutAir anyone?
All that to say, I feel good being at Republic because it seems obvious to me that the big 3 are willing to pay more for YX to fly routes because they perform well especially in the NE, have quality equipment and are able to be selective in their hiring. I know that YX pilots have not been well represented going to the big three, but I wonder with them being more selective now because it's a desirable place to go that the big 3 will start targeting YX pilots as good candidates; for all our sakes let's hope that is the case.
Now, please someone feed me some good Compass rumors, I really want to live in Seattle without a commute!
All that to say, I feel good being at Republic because it seems obvious to me that the big 3 are willing to pay more for YX to fly routes because they perform well especially in the NE, have quality equipment and are able to be selective in their hiring. I know that YX pilots have not been well represented going to the big three, but I wonder with them being more selective now because it's a desirable place to go that the big 3 will start targeting YX pilots as good candidates; for all our sakes let's hope that is the case.
Now, please someone feed me some good Compass rumors, I really want to live in Seattle without a commute!
03-11-2019, 03:55 AM
#76
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Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,648
I hate to get drawn into the ridiculous tit for tat on here but I will say as for the Comair situation compared to today I think there is strong evidence that management at Delta and to a lesser extent AA and United have changed their philosophy. Maybe they believe in the "pilot shortage"; Republic has the 2nd best pay rates in the industry, they get paid by the big 3 on a per flight basis. With these rates it has to cost more for Republic to provide the same service as a Mesa, Compass, etc would. Endeavor has the highest pay so likewise. Which leads me to believe that Delta management has a longer term view, 1) Delta has been aggressive in their drive to become the highest quality airline in the U.S. and they don't want bottom feeder regionals representing their product (apparently AA is starting down this road with telling Mesa they need to step up their program, United apparently still doesn't care), 2) They don't want disruptions in service as the pilot supply tightens, everyone in the industry knows EDV and Republic have no shortage of applicants. AA's strategy is to provide flow as a means to attract pilots without an increased cost by paying crap compared to 9E and YX. United's plan is to start buying regionals a la ExpressJet and use CPP to lure pilots while paying crap wages, CommutAir anyone?
All that to say, I feel good being at Republic because it seems obvious to me that the big 3 are willing to pay more for YX to fly routes because they perform well especially in the NE, have quality equipment and are able to be selective in their hiring. I know that YX pilots have not been well represented going to the big three, but I wonder with them being more selective now because it's a desirable place to go that the big 3 will start targeting YX pilots as good candidates; for all our sakes let's hope that is the case.
Now, please someone feed me some good Compass rumors, I really want to live in Seattle without a commute!
All that to say, I feel good being at Republic because it seems obvious to me that the big 3 are willing to pay more for YX to fly routes because they perform well especially in the NE, have quality equipment and are able to be selective in their hiring. I know that YX pilots have not been well represented going to the big three, but I wonder with them being more selective now because it's a desirable place to go that the big 3 will start targeting YX pilots as good candidates; for all our sakes let's hope that is the case.
Now, please someone feed me some good Compass rumors, I really want to live in Seattle without a commute!
03-11-2019, 04:36 AM
#77
Porco Rosso
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,522
I just went from page 2 to page 7 of this thread, and I don't feel like a missed a thing.
It's like I learned how to speed read or something. Pretty cool.
FWIW, Teamsters are better. ALPA MECs will break company's will with legal interpretations. Teamsters will break company's face with a sock full of quarters. Way more badass.
It's like I learned how to speed read or something. Pretty cool.
FWIW, Teamsters are better. ALPA MECs will break company's will with legal interpretations. Teamsters will break company's face with a sock full of quarters. Way more badass.
03-11-2019, 05:12 AM
#78
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 194
03-11-2019, 05:30 AM
#79
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Posts: 2,648
If these Compass rumors are true I don’t think YX would end up in Seattle. I would imagine we would just see another round of the Delta shuffle and OO would move their LGA flying back west. So maybe instead you can live in Queens without a commute... still about as expensive
03-11-2019, 06:02 AM
#80
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 318
"Facts: RAH management approached pilots with rates they wanted to pay, IBT/pilots accepted those rates. Resulting contract 2015 was within the pattern and moving things forward"
Not at RJET but I believe that those are "False Facts". As I remember, RAH Management approach pilots with rates they wanted to pay. IBT supported that agreement, RJET pilots shot it down overwhelmingly, forcing BB back to the table. IBT national was never really heard from again. The 2015 contract was indeed industry leading at the time.
Not at RJET but I believe that those are "False Facts". As I remember, RAH Management approach pilots with rates they wanted to pay. IBT supported that agreement, RJET pilots shot it down overwhelmingly, forcing BB back to the table. IBT national was never really heard from again. The 2015 contract was indeed industry leading at the time.
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