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Old 03-25-2019, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MuPpET
If compass dies our flying goes to OO and Envoy, not republic, so if their goal is to ever take the flying cpz does now that strategy is just not gonna work.
Not really. It’s been said before.

Compass can be removed from the equation very easily without having to have Republic open a single West coast base. In this case, delta moves skywest back west and we operate on the east using compass planes to backfill the newer Skywest planes.

In reality though, I expect Republic to move west at some point.
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Why would Delta flying go to OO?


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Turnkey operation, but DL wants that whipsaw too. So, there is that.
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Turnkey operation, but DL wants that whipsaw too. So, there is that.


Is there anywhere in the DL system that only one regional operates in?


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Old 03-25-2019, 12:19 PM
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Turnkey operation, but DL wants that whipsaw too. So, there is that.
Not according to the decisions they make. Delta likes on-time performance and happy business customers. United is the only one playing the whipsaw game. That’ll change though. Their management is always making decisions years after Delta and American.
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Is there anywhere in the DL system that only one regional operates in?


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Not presently, again that is one reason against giving OO all of the west.
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Not according to the decisions they make. Delta likes on-time performance and happy business customers. United is the only one playing the whipsaw game. That’ll change though. Their management is always making decisions years after Delta and American.
Whipsawing is alive and well at AA, DL, and UA. Yes, Delta is fond of ontime performance, yet they still have CP and OO. Delta wants all 5 metrics hit, nearly equally. But they also want to protect the bottom line. That’s why that 50 million dollar ERJ was deferred to the 2020s at 9E. If AA was done with the whipsaw, only their WOs would be operating their flights. They would opt to keep that whole operation in house it if it was performance metric driven.

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Not presently, again that is one reason against giving OO all of the west.


I think that’s a bigger reason than the fact that OO already has a presence out there.


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I think that’s a bigger reason than the fact that OO already has a presence out there.


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That comes back to:

1. Leave the current operation (CP) in place and kick the can down the road.
2. Give it to OO, lose the whipsaw leverage.
3. Start writing large checks for either YX or 9E to start west coast operations.

Option 1 is the best for now it seems. Option 2 is counter productive in the long run.
Option 3 both carriers present their own problems with opening a base on the west coast which requires large sums of money.

With DALPA going into contract 2019 and their scope/JV desires; and the current JVs they are investing in. I’m betting they leave CP the way it is for now and see how the their current quandaries play out.

At least that is my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Meow1215
That comes back to:



1. Leave the current operation (CP) in place and kick the can down the road.

2. Give it to OO, lose the whipsaw leverage.

3. Start writing large checks for either YX or 9E to start west coast operations.



Option 1 is the best for now it seems. Option 2 is counter productive in the long run.

Option 3 both carriers present their own problems with opening a base on the west coast which requires large sums of money.



With DALPA going into contract 2019 and their scope/JV desires; and the current JVs they are investing in. I’m betting they leave CP the way it is for now and see how the their current quandaries play out.



At least that is my opinion.


Maybe, but Ed Bastian had to know negotiations were coming up so why make those comments about reducing to 3 regionals in 12-18 months? Leaving it as is does seem to be the path of least resistance though. I sincerely doubt the flying goes to OO.


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Originally Posted by Meow1215
Whipsawing is alive and well at AA, DL, and UA. Yes, Delta is fond of ontime performance, yet they still have CP and OO. Delta wants all 5 metrics hit, nearly equally. But they also want to protect the bottom line. That’s why that 50 million dollar ERJ was deferred to the 2020s at 9E. If AA was done with the whipsaw, only their WOs would be operating their flights. They would opt to keep that whole operation in house it if it was performance metric driven.

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Compass is a dead horse to Delta. Of course they’re not going to give one carrier the whole pie. Regionals wouldn’t exist if that were the case. Delta favors YX strictly off of DOT statistics right now. We top OO with performance but fall behind on “customer satisfaction” (due to business traveler surveys), which is one huge reason why our flight ops think they won’t budge with western flying. Fun fact: Apparently BB proved to DL management that their customer experience surveys essentially prove nothing though. What he did I’m not sure, but that’s what we were told.

United is still the only one playing the true whipsaw game and it shows that’s their primary business strategy still. 8,9,10 feeders? Or whatever they have now. Regionals without resources and absolute terrible performance given contracts proves it’s still the low bidder wins.
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