Training delay
09-28-2018, 01:53 PM
#133
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Joined APC: May 2018
Position: E170
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I know it's everyone's best guess, but is there any reason to think these training delays won't continue? I'm in the 11/6 class, and was told to expect a delay.
Hopefully they don't get longer; it didn't seem like they did from the first August class that was announced as a delay through the 9/18 class.
Hopefully they don't get longer; it didn't seem like they did from the first August class that was announced as a delay through the 9/18 class.
Last time I was in HQ, there were talks of a new training center, with our own simulator bays.
09-28-2018, 02:09 PM
#134
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Position: Guppy
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If the bottleneck is full motion sim availability, I think the problem will persist or worsen as all of the E170 operators are trying to get more pilots through training. Pilots already flying the line also need to come in every year for recurrent.
Last time I was in HQ, there were talks of a new training center, with our own simulator bays.
Last time I was in HQ, there were talks of a new training center, with our own simulator bays.
09-28-2018, 05:11 PM
#135
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The general consensus among the instructors is that times have changed. Previously if a guy didn't make it past procedures training he would be let go, but then management figured out that the very same people they had let go were hired by others (*cough*Mesa*cough*) and winding up at the very same sims in St. Louis, only to pass training with a bulk of the training cost paid for by Republic. So now they give extra training to those who are clearly putting in the effort but maybe need a bit of extra help so at the end they invest a little more and get another pilot on the line.
That said, however, if you simply don't study, particularly early on with systems training, it will be obvious and you will be let go. This is in no way a "no show" or "gimme" job. Oh, and just because the company hires you does not mean you have the skills or ability to get through training. I'm on sim 5 of 8 before my checkride and I still have my doubts as to whether I'll pass my checkride. This is NOT EASY.
That said, however, if you simply don't study, particularly early on with systems training, it will be obvious and you will be let go. This is in no way a "no show" or "gimme" job. Oh, and just because the company hires you does not mean you have the skills or ability to get through training. I'm on sim 5 of 8 before my checkride and I still have my doubts as to whether I'll pass my checkride. This is NOT EASY.
09-28-2018, 07:27 PM
#136
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Position: E170
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I thought my training was pretty quick (almost one year ago), certainly a lot better than other regionals at the time. ATP/CTP to IOE completion in a little over 3 months. The wait time for the sim was 3 weeks (others in my class were waiting between 1 week to 1 month). I would place current completion estimates at this time, plus any delays being advertised.
09-29-2018, 06:48 AM
#137
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Position: Embraer 170/175 First Officer
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So as an update from St. Louis because I saw some of the previous posts that were talking about the company maybe being quicker to terminate considering the sim back up and the close to 160 people that still are behind my 7/10/18 class who as a class is only about 1/3 through sims.
They have terminated 3 of our 28 in the class. Two of them were a crew who couldn’t program the MCDU quick enough to get off the gate in the first 3 sims and by the time they did could not complete each lesson in the 4 hour block and by sim 3 were still playing catch up on the second half of sim 2.
The third got through sims pretty far, sent back to an earlier one, and at that time failed to continue.
They were sent home to wait for training reschedule and received the phone calls letting them go.
For anyone going to St. Louis or Cinncinati soon. MCDU should be easy for you coming from EFPTs. Callouts should be down cold. Flows down cold. Briefings practiced multiple times on multiple different departures and approaches. This will save your ass
They have terminated 3 of our 28 in the class. Two of them were a crew who couldn’t program the MCDU quick enough to get off the gate in the first 3 sims and by the time they did could not complete each lesson in the 4 hour block and by sim 3 were still playing catch up on the second half of sim 2.
The third got through sims pretty far, sent back to an earlier one, and at that time failed to continue.
They were sent home to wait for training reschedule and received the phone calls letting them go.
For anyone going to St. Louis or Cinncinati soon. MCDU should be easy for you coming from EFPTs. Callouts should be down cold. Flows down cold. Briefings practiced multiple times on multiple different departures and approaches. This will save your ass
09-29-2018, 09:21 AM
#138
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Yep that sounds about right. I am in the 8/21 class and my checkride will be early December. I figure then it will be a month or so to finish out IOE which would make it 5 months from start to finish.
09-29-2018, 09:36 AM
#139
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So as an update from St. Louis because I saw some of the previous posts that were talking about the company maybe being quicker to terminate considering the sim back up and the close to 160 people that still are behind my 7/10/18 class who as a class is only about 1/3 through sims.
They have terminated 3 of our 28 in the class. Two of them were a crew who couldn’t program the MCDU quick enough to get off the gate in the first 3 sims and by the time they did could not complete each lesson in the 4 hour block and by sim 3 were still playing catch up on the second half of sim 2.
The third got through sims pretty far, sent back to an earlier one, and at that time failed to continue.
They were sent home to wait for training reschedule and received the phone calls letting them go.
For anyone going to St. Louis or Cinncinati soon. MCDU should be easy for you coming from EFPTs. Callouts should be down cold. Flows down cold. Briefings practiced multiple times on multiple different departures and approaches. This will save your ass
They have terminated 3 of our 28 in the class. Two of them were a crew who couldn’t program the MCDU quick enough to get off the gate in the first 3 sims and by the time they did could not complete each lesson in the 4 hour block and by sim 3 were still playing catch up on the second half of sim 2.
The third got through sims pretty far, sent back to an earlier one, and at that time failed to continue.
They were sent home to wait for training reschedule and received the phone calls letting them go.
For anyone going to St. Louis or Cinncinati soon. MCDU should be easy for you coming from EFPTs. Callouts should be down cold. Flows down cold. Briefings practiced multiple times on multiple different departures and approaches. This will save your ass
Not sure how it is at other regionals but I would assume there is usually one or two folks who don't make it in most classes, so maybe this is the normal wash out rate?
09-29-2018, 10:41 AM
#140
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Position: Embraer 170/175 First Officer
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They must have been spending well over an hour in the first 2 lessons on the MCDU? Any idea on what the the guys who got sent home were struggling with? Surprising to hear they made it far along and then got axed, it's expensive to let people go once well into the sims.
Not sure how it is at other regionals but I would assume there is usually one or two folks who don't make it in most classes, so maybe this is the normal wash out rate?
Not sure how it is at other regionals but I would assume there is usually one or two folks who don't make it in most classes, so maybe this is the normal wash out rate?
From what I understand yes normally you’ll see some people not make it everywhere.
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