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Old 01-07-2018, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond
PSA's MEC met with management several times in the last couple weeks. On the ALPA conference call this week, the MEC announced that the MEC and NC will be meeting with management 4 days this coming week and 4 days next week.

The company has to finalize new reserve and other QOL points in the next month (as was agreed upon in the new LOA's that were published last week that increased the flow), and are preparing a new TA with pay rates and PBS.

Also, PSA's proposal to the MEC was for an increase to 8 flows a month. The MEC rejected it, and demanded 10 flows a month. PSA agreed and notified AA. AA will take all of the flows that we send them. So yes, the NC can discuss and negotiate flow.

So, yes. I can tell you that your above statement is incorrect.
Wow! That's impressive. Would you be able to keep SAP with the PBS? Which PBS are they wanting to get? Has hiring slowed for PSA since the Endeavor rates?
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Old 01-07-2018, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by MileHi
Most captains were thrown under the bus during the last TA. Republic will continue to offer competitive bonuses to new hires. They won't be left out. Republic also increased FO rates while improving benefits for ALL pilots. If it's common knowledge the company will continually try new ways to recruit, why should republic's NC use negotiating capital for something the company is pushing for anyway? That's a waste of leverage. Want an example? Look at the captain pay caps at other carriers. Until a week ago, Endeavor's was also 12 years. I'm sure FOs could care less about kneecapping captains, but they'd be looking at it all wrong. Look, the company will continue offering new hire incentives. And with increased growth, upgrade times will continue to drop. If you want to move on, great. But republic is creating an environment where seniority is honored and a place where you could spend your career should you choose to do so. I don't think other carriers could say the same. How many other threads out there have the continued theme, "I know regional life sucks, but just get your time and get out." Republic is changing that. Knowing you can make $140/hr+ at a regional is something pretty respectable, and something I hope other carriers can ascribe. Don't forget, the early opener to continue raising the bar is in less than 2 years. I know PSA is in talks now. But I doubt their rates will come anywhere near what republic is proposing.


So you support the company offering bonuses to new hires? Also with the legacy hiring over the next 10 years, who is going to stay at any regional? Within 3 years at any legacy or southwest you beat those numbers. BTW the captains at Republic had some of the highest industry pay-rates during much of the 2003 CBA, while the FOs suffered with well below industry average pay-rates. Since we have no flow, Republic will have to increase pay and benefits above AA WO. Sorry but this TA will fail, and the percentages will not look good for the local.


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Old 01-07-2018, 08:45 AM
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[QUOTE=ORD170;2497617]So you support the company offering bonuses to new hires? Also with the legacy hiring over the next 10 years, who is going to stay at any regional? Within 3 years at any legacy or southwest you beat those numbers. BTW the captains at Republic had some of the highest industry pay-rates during much of the 2003 CBA, while the FOs suffered with well below industry average pay-rates. Since we have no flow, Republic will have to increase pay and benefits above AA WO. Sorry but this TA will fail, and the percentages will not look good for the local.




The current republic CBA has better rates than the AA WOs. Don't you want republic to keep raising the bar? The FO rates from 2015 put them above inflation from 2003. The new rates do the same for captains while the pay percentage increases for FOs are nearly the same.
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:16 AM
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So you support the company offering bonuses to new hires? Also with the legacy hiring over the next 10 years, who is going to stay at any regional? Within 3 years at any legacy or southwest you beat those numbers. BTW the captains at Republic had some of the highest industry pay-rates during much of the 2003 CBA, while the FOs suffered with well below industry average pay-rates. Since we have no flow, Republic will have to increase pay and benefits above AA WO. Sorry but this TA will fail, and the percentages will not look good for the local.









The current republic CBA has better rates than the AA WOs. Don't you want republic to keep raising the bar? The FO rates from 2015 put them above inflation from 2003. The new rates do the same for captains while the pay percentage increases for FOs are nearly the same.


I knew Republic would not get 9E rates, but they need to do better then this offer. Also I think many of us are concerned about why the local is pushing this so hard.


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Old 01-07-2018, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ORD170
So you support the company offering bonuses to new hires? Also with the legacy hiring over the next 10 years, who is going to stay at any regional? Within 3 years at any legacy or southwest you beat those numbers. BTW the captains at Republic had some of the highest industry pay-rates during much of the 2003 CBA, while the FOs suffered with well below industry average pay-rates. Since we have no flow, Republic will have to increase pay and benefits above AA WO. Sorry but this TA will fail, and the percentages will not look good for the local.


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Did not know that. I guess I shouldn't feel so bad then that the Captains got stiffed on the last agreement.
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ORD170
I appreciate everything the union volunteers do for the pilot group at Republic, but I’m very disappointed that they thought this TA was a good idea. It’s very obvious that the payrates for the most senior captains will far exceed Endeavor, while the FOs are far below Endeavor. How many 20 year captains have we lost to a legacy? This TA will not attract FOs to Republic! I never expected Endeavor rates, but this will not do.
Agree with this.
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:26 AM
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[QUOTE=ORD170;2497637]
Originally Posted by MileHi



I knew Republic would not get 9E rates, but they need to do better then this offer. Also I think many of us are concerned about why the local is pushing this so hard.


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Yes. Many of us are wondering this. Many.
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:34 AM
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For some additional clarity, our codomicile comes with stipulations meant for easing QOL concerns. We’ll be able to bid for a schedule out of our base of choice, the company must end a trip in the base it starts in, and if we end a segment out of base then ground transport will be provided. I don’t say that to praise codomicile but to highlight the fact that IF codomicile is something y’all need to give up (as MileHi makes it sound) to get our rates y’all should be able to negotiate some terms to ease QOL with it. Good luck guys, if not this TA I hope you get something stellar in return.
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:12 AM
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I have no idea where you guys are getting the notion that 9E is junior manning pilots. That is not true, at all.
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:26 AM
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In summary of the TA:

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