ORD170

This is right!

Really making a regional a career airline is foolish from a management standpoint. Your cost will increase and the averag pilot longevity increases, and of course upgrades will increase if captains don’t want to leave. Some will survive, but my money would be on the WOs.

MileHi

Pilot Longevity and upgrade times increase during times of contraction or stagnation. These are not those times. Remember, staffing is the name of the game here. Continually raising the bar is the carrot management offers pilots on property to assist with staffing. With continued growth, upgrade times fall, not increase. Besides, the goal is to keep raising the bar, not lowering it. The only thing the WOs are offering captains is a flow. If you're willing to endure the abuse while waiting for the flow, have at it! But for me, quality of life matters. I would never want to lower captain pay rates or pay scales. That's a race to the bottom game Republic has helped stop.

Rahlifer

If you’re really so desperate to get this thing passed, why not leave CA rates as-is, keep the 5% bonus cap and make FO rates Endeavor +5%? That eliminates 99% of what’s causing people to freak the **** out.

aviatormjc

2003 contract 12 yr CA 79-99 seat $96.20/hr.
---8 YEARS LATER---
2015 contract 12 yr CA Group 2 $96.21/hr.
8 YEARS of negotiating to earn a $0.01 raise.
FOs clearly got the bigger raise in the 2015 contract and rightly so. But it's across the board equality in this TA and it's all about timing.
Had the company dragged this out for 8 years I could understand the frustration.
The 2015 took 8 YEARS and the company ended up writing the 4 most important articles anyway.
No matter how you look at it, this management will do what they want anyway.
NO voters already voted NO, YES voters already voted YES the moment the voting pin arrived their inboxes. It's all about the on the fencer's this week trying to get the most factual information they can to vote in their best interest.
What will turn your NO into a YES? Is it Endevour or better right NOW! What is the missing piece? How long are you willing to wait to get Endevour or better NOW? How much will you lose in the meantime?
Is this LOA TA the BEST? NO!!! But it is a step in the right direction. It places Republic farther away from industry average-Endevour/Republic and puts Republic Captains at Endevour in 2 years and give FOs an equal bump. It increases final 401K matching from 6-9% and makes red flag a true 200% not that 150% nonsense. Although with dudes picking up STRAIGHT time like crazy it's likely there will not be much true overtime pay. LGA CAs have ZERO open time for JAN/FEB.
Again how long are you willing to wait for the next TA? We all know this management can drag it out. Does the management have a B-plan in case this fails? Who know?
Again IMHO it's all about timing. Take the $$ and let's meet again in 2 years. Maybe then the industry average - Endevour/Republic will come up and we can get more then. Happy voting friends.


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hopeless in SEA

I don't care why you do anything, Brian McKeon.

You justify giving them unlimited control over unlimited bonuses because they've never exercised it. So why did they ask for both, you simpleton?

You have no answer, do you, Sherlock?

And I absolutely do not have selective amnesia. With that kind of power, I could block out your ramblings.

Not only did the company ask for the unlimited bonuses that your short-sighted voting granted them, now they are asking for more control over that process. And your short-sightedness is back.

You, on the other hand, never answered the question posed by others. If they are never going to exercise such powers, why not match every bonus with an equal reward to on-property pilots?

But what do you expect from a traitor to the pilot group? A man so meek that he pretends to represent his peers on the NC, while he openly makes every argument in management's favor. You should be ashamed every time you tell someone at work that you're representing their best interest. When their best interest is to fight for wages and benefits appropriate to the future, not the present and the past.

A man so boringly incompetent that he doesn't understand the idea of taking a "precaution." Yeah, sure . . . no regional management team has ever made incremental gains against its pilot group, and then screwed them over. Never.

I ask you this. Why do we have the Bill of Rights? Why do people buy insurance? Why do people get regular physicals? Why do we have a Scope clause? We're not merging with anybody right now.

Oh, yeah. That's right. We have those things because we may someday need those things. We have them because, regardless of what has happened in the past, there really are obstacles out there that are hazardous to our lives, careers, and well-being. And being preventative is smart. MileHi is not smart. He lacks a basic understanding of how regional airlines survive and function. He lacks any real experience with the history of this market. And he lacks any real understanding of where it's headed.

But he's really good at looking backward, and forgetting all of the things that Republic did to its pilots when they had the power to change for the better. MileHi is the Stockholm Syndrome candidate with selective amnesia, here.

Republic will only ever give us what they must give us. And whatever they are offering isn't half of what is available, let alone deserved.

And if Republic cared as much about retention as they did hiring, then bonus pay across the board would be unlimited. Why not some form of profit-sharing? Some form of annual retention bonus to all?

Because, as MileHi Brian likes to put it, "it's poor business sense" to give any more of your profits to pilots than you have to.

Barely retaining the top guys, and holding on to the miserable careers of the middle guys for as long as you can. That's how you grow an airline and still make an executive bonus. But both come second to attracting new stones to bleed. And THAT is why the company asked for both.

ex9driver

You justify giving them unlimited control over unlimited bonuses because they've never exercised it. So why did they ask for both, you simpleton?

You have no answer, do you, Sherlock?

This right here is the question anyone with any experience with Republic management needs to ask themselves before they vote. Its really this simple. Remember also that BM who is referred to in this post voted for the rejected contract ( over 80% no I believe) that would have made all of us contactable on every trip basically putting everyone on reserve. Let that sink in.

hopeless in SEA

And maybe also remember the disingenuous behavior of anonymously defending an LOA on the internet, while being the same schmuck who helped concoct the thing.

ORD170

I can’t believe they put him on the NC! I think initially he was the chairman, and the outcry resulted in him being co-chair. I suspect not many volunteered though, so that part of the problem.

If anyone is still on the fence, then I suggest you look at past practices of republic management. Do not think they will do the ethical thing with these bonuses, because they will not. I keep hearing they cannot afford to pay endeavor rates, but these rates aren’t even close to endeavor. They will pay more, if this is voted down.

SpeedyVagabond

On another note. Everyone has voted. All the self righteous put downs of others, selfishness, and uncivil discourse in this thread at thisllint doesn’t matter anymore. We Captains did a lot to dramatically improve the lot of First Officers with the last contract. And in a time when every single other regional was taking concessions. This TA Captains see more of the improvements but they’re still improvements for all. I hope it passes.

Jet Jockey 00

That TA is a

T. U. R. D.

IF they can afford those rates in 2020 they can afford them now.