2018 Tentative Agreement
#401
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 54
I have a conspiracy theory.
MileHi uses flawed logic. MileHi loves fear mongering. And MileHi would vote YES to anything, especially if he was being paid to do it.
He would also join a Negotiating Committee, but only if he could defend the company's talking points.
Reference the last TA that passed. He voted YES to a 74% gain to new-hires and a 10% gain to the people who lived through regional hell.
This new LOA represents a chance to extend that. Another 20% to the top, and UNLIMITED control over UNLIMITED gains at the bottom.
And we're all the illogical ones! LOL
MileHi uses flawed logic. MileHi loves fear mongering. And MileHi would vote YES to anything, especially if he was being paid to do it.
He would also join a Negotiating Committee, but only if he could defend the company's talking points.
Reference the last TA that passed. He voted YES to a 74% gain to new-hires and a 10% gain to the people who lived through regional hell.
This new LOA represents a chance to extend that. Another 20% to the top, and UNLIMITED control over UNLIMITED gains at the bottom.
And we're all the illogical ones! LOL
#402
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 37
Fact check:
The captain rates offered are the highest for some now and for everyone else in 23 months.... Hardly (3 years).
Next, there is currently NO bonus limit and the bonuses they do offer are substantially below industry average, let alone anywhere near the top. Why? Because it makes zero sense to over pay to recruit.
I know you don't want to accept these facts because it's counter to your fear mongering narrative, but oh well.
The captain rates offered are the highest for some now and for everyone else in 23 months.... Hardly (3 years).
Next, there is currently NO bonus limit and the bonuses they do offer are substantially below industry average, let alone anywhere near the top. Why? Because it makes zero sense to over pay to recruit.
I know you don't want to accept these facts because it's counter to your fear mongering narrative, but oh well.
RAH is currently limited to offering bonuses that do not exceed more than 5 percent of the bonuses offered by our peers. THAT IS A LIMIT!!!!
#403
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 37
ONE they haven't needed to YET.
TWO, so people like you would risk everything based on an assumption that they have not done this particular thing in the past.
#404
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 54
By 23 months, everyone else could be worlds ahead while we are locked in at forever rates offering UNLIMITED BONUSES to those who don't even work here.
RAH is currently limited to offering bonuses that do not exceed more than 5 percent of the bonuses offered by our peers. THAT IS A LIMIT!!!!
RAH is currently limited to offering bonuses that do not exceed more than 5 percent of the bonuses offered by our peers. THAT IS A LIMIT!!!!
#406
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 692
I don't think any of this will really matter in the end. When the hiring wave is over most of the regionals will be devastated if they even still exist. This thread has really blown up but I think everyone is fighting yesterday's battle. The future is not at the regionals.
#407
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 37
I'm starting to think you don't even work here. The 5% limit you're referring to does not take effect for another 9 months. It is currently unlimited. Also, they are nowhere near that "limit" and have no desire to ever be in a bidding war for recruits. It's poor business sense. Declaring with certainty that the company "will" do something when ALL evidence points to the contrary is pure conspiracy laden fear mongering. Maybe I should ask YOU why you're pushing so hard against this when all the facts point to a quite different reality. Also, speaking of learning from the past, I remember when all the past fear mongerers during the last vote were declaring that our rates were going to be instantly surpassed and we wouldn't see the company again for eight years. They weren't. And here we are again at the table with a new deal. If history is our guide, we will see the company again in two more years to stay competitive with staffing.
There may not be an immediate issue, but there will be a severe one in the next few years that will shake this entire sector. That is what is being planned for now and it is being planned for with little consideration of YOU!
Had a NO vote taken place back then and had everyone else voted NO at the same time we would have been in an amazingly different place now. But leverage was given away and what little is left will be given away now with a yes vote.
Why am I pushing so hard against this? Because I am standing on the outside watching a group of people being taken advantage of to the point that it is so bad they can no longer see reality. It is like they have accepted oppression and disappointment as a way of life and are not willing to fight for something greater. Maybe they are so exhausted that they have just given up.
MileHi, with all due respect, trying to convince you personally is a hopeless case. I recognize that you are unconvinceable.
My responses are meant for others out there with half-a-brain. I encourage you to think 10 steps ahead of "your friend" next to you.
#408
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 37
I don't think any of this will really matter in the end. When the hiring wave is over most of the regionals will be devastated if they even still exist. This thread has really blown up but I think everyone is fighting yesterday's battle. The future is not at the regionals.
#409
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 54
Then we stave them off for another 9 months when the limit exists! Why would you give away the one thing you have left? Because of some nonsense assumption? We have provided you with numerous reasons to be suspicious.
There may not be an immediate issue, but there will be a severe one in the next few years that will shake this entire sector. That is what is being planned for now and it is being planned for with little consideration of YOU!
Had a NO vote taken place back then and had everyone else voted NO at the same time we would have been in an amazingly different place now. But leverage was given away and what little is left will be given away now with a yes vote.
Why am I pushing so hard against this? Because I am standing on the outside watching a group of people being taken advantage of to the point that it is so bad they can no longer see reality. It is like they have accepted oppression and disappointment as a way of life and are not willing to fight for something greater. Maybe they are so exhausted that they have just given up.
MileHi, with all due respect, trying to convince you personally is a hopeless case. I recognize that you are unconvinceable.
My responses are meant for others out there with half-a-brain. I encourage you to think 10 steps ahead of "your friend" next to you.
There may not be an immediate issue, but there will be a severe one in the next few years that will shake this entire sector. That is what is being planned for now and it is being planned for with little consideration of YOU!
Had a NO vote taken place back then and had everyone else voted NO at the same time we would have been in an amazingly different place now. But leverage was given away and what little is left will be given away now with a yes vote.
Why am I pushing so hard against this? Because I am standing on the outside watching a group of people being taken advantage of to the point that it is so bad they can no longer see reality. It is like they have accepted oppression and disappointment as a way of life and are not willing to fight for something greater. Maybe they are so exhausted that they have just given up.
MileHi, with all due respect, trying to convince you personally is a hopeless case. I recognize that you are unconvinceable.
My responses are meant for others out there with half-a-brain. I encourage you to think 10 steps ahead of "your friend" next to you.
#410
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 37
It's obvious to me at this point, you clearly don't work here. You seem so beaten down and disconnected from the reality of this airline it makes no sense to engage you any further. The conspiracies that the company will do this or will do that even though there's no supporting evidence has gotten old. Had the last vote failed, I'm confident this airline either wouldn't exist or would look drastically different (worse). Republic is doing just fine and continuing to grow and change with the industry. I for one am glad mgmt wants the pilots to be a part of the ride. It's the smart thing to do. Maybe one day you'll remove your tinfoil hat, quit relitigating the problems of the past and see reality. But I won't hold my breath.
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