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Old 01-22-2018, 07:20 AM
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We know that you "didn't to either."

Wives of pilots are not allowed to vote, unless they are also pilots here, in which case, they ought to be. For the good of the whole.

Now, cook, wench!
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
We know that you "didn't to either."

Wives of pilots are not allowed to vote, unless they are also pilots here, in which case, they ought to be. For the good of the whole.

Now, cook, wench!
This is too easy 😂😂😂😂

If that’s the best insult you can come up with, that’s pretty bad and not worth my time

In summation, vote YES, vote often

Troll you soon! Until then 😘
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
Please respond to posts #283 and #298.

And stay on topic. I don't mind being insulted at all. Just answer the questions and stick to LOA talk while you do it, so that others will see you for what you are.
I haven't avoided or misdirected anything. To answer your questions in post 283: yes, I was in favor of the 2015 CBA (along with 76% of voters). And yes, I'm in favor of the 2018 LOA.
I looked all through post 298 and couldn't find a single question. See, when most of your posts are just angry rants and insults with no intelligent substance, I can understand how posts can begin to look all the same to you, creating confusion. This is what I was referring to with your nonsensical circular logic. Now, I've answered your questions. You, on the other hand, just sling insults because your arguments don't pass muster. See, this isn't going well for you.
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Ihatepilots
This is too easy 😂😂😂😂

If that’s the best insult you can come up with, that’s pretty bad and not worth my time

In summation, vote YES, vote often

Troll you soon! Until then 😘
If it's so easy, then you will have plenty of time to enlighten us all on WHY we should vote YES.

Please offer us your incisive view on posts #283 and #298.

Wait for it, folks. More BLAH's coming our way!
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Old 01-22-2018, 07:56 AM
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Side question

Did this TA include commuter hotels?
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MileHi
I haven't avoided or misdirected anything. To answer your questions in post 283: yes, I was in favor of the 2015 CBA (along with 76% of voters). And yes, I'm in favor of the 2018 LOA.
I looked all through post 298 and couldn't find a single question. See, when most of your posts are just angry rants and insults with no intelligent substance, I can understand how posts can begin to look all the same to you, creating confusion. This is what I was referring to with your nonsensical circular logic. Now, I've answered your questions. You, on the other hand, just sling insults because your arguments don't pass muster. See, this isn't going well for you.
For the record, then. It was you who cheered on, and voted into being, unlimited bonuses for those who contribute the least. And you want everyone else to follow you, again?

Also, post #298 contained no question. I asked for your response to your obviously false claim that Republic is interested in Retention.

The pay structure is being flattened and tilted on purpose.

The money is being taken from those who earned it, and subsequently given to those who didn't, by management (and our own union leadership) to supplement that flattening and tilting even further.

You voted for all of this.

And you claim that Republic is interested in Retention!

I call for the masses to see that any amount of Retention that Republic is interested in is OVERWHELMED dramatically by their interest in the front end of the employee hiring curve.

I drew the obvious conclusion that this LOA is more of the same.

When you get the keyboard back from your better half, you can tell us, again, why anyone who works here should vote YES to this drivel.

Please do tell.
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:11 AM
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Turnover.

That is all that Republic is interested in.

They know they can't keep you here, based on economics. And they need to attract your replacements ASAP.

So they need to flatten the pay, and crank out cheap replacements. They need to give a little at the top, and a lot at the bottom.

Eventually, as I said before, they will have to deal with the true problem. They bankrupted themselves on purpose, because it was the right time for them, and now they must extricate themselves from ownership by all 3 legacy carriers. An untenable situation that cannot last.

Or they can double down and go for the "Last Regional Standing" trophy. Which is a death-knell to the pilots actually employed there.

Both of these require a good, solid screwing of the pilots already employed at Republic. And since many of you are presumably those very pilots, you will be delighted to know that LOA's like this one can't pass without your say-so.
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
For the record, then. It was you who cheered on, and voted into being, unlimited bonuses for those who contribute the least. And you want everyone else to follow you, again?

Also, post #298 contained no question. I asked for your response to your obviously false claim that Republic is interested in Retention.

The pay structure is being flattened and tilted on purpose.

The money is being taken from those who earned it, and subsequently given to those who didn't, by management (and our own union leadership) to supplement that flattening and tilting even further.

You voted for all of this.

And you claim that Republic is interested in Retention!

I call for the masses to see that any amount of Retention that Republic is interested in is OVERWHELMED dramatically by their interest in the front end of the employee hiring curve.

I drew the obvious conclusion that this LOA is more of the same.

When you get the keyboard back from your better half, you can tell us, again, why anyone who works here should vote YES to this drivel.

Please do tell.
Just over two years ago at the end of 2015, 76% of voters believed that the conspiracy theory of the company undercutting our leverage by fully exploiting unlimited signing bonuses was simply tinfoil hat fear mongering. We were right. You were wrong. The company is paying WELL BELOW market average for recruitment, and nowhere near the high. It is this history (to learn from) that actions speak louder than words...yes, even yours. Declaring loudly that the company is gonna pull the rug from underneath the pilots hasn't bore any fruit, and there's no reason for it to in the future.
Regarding retention, the company could've easily done what the AA WOs are doing; raise new hire bonuses to $40K+ and shift FO pay to year three. They know their pilots won't leave and are stuck waiting for the elusive flow. Instead, RAH mgmt decided it would be better to engage the pilots and honor those who have been here the longest by paying the highest in the industry. Once again, actions speak louder than words.
I'm sorry this doesn't fit your narrative resulting in conspiracy laden insult tossing the only recourse remaining for you. I don't think you understand the industry. And honestly, other than screaming for a No vote, I don't really know what you think is acceptable. You want the highest pay for captains? Check. Wages aren't flattening as you keep saying. I don't know any guy flying an RJ who thinks $140/hr+ is a horrible rate. And the pilots will be well positioned to demand more, assuming other carriers can keep up.
In conclusion, the CAs will be the highest paid with some of the best work rules in the industry (which is what you wanted). Also, the company will continue (just as they've done over the last 20 years) to offer the bare minimum, and not a dollar more, to attract new hires. Because, once again, they'd rather put money into a contract for everyone already on property than pay people not here yet. That's something we can all "cheer" for.
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hopeless in SEA
If it's so easy, then you will have plenty of time to enlighten us all on WHY we should vote YES.

Please offer us your incisive view on posts #283 and #298.

Wait for it, folks. More BLAH's coming our way!
Sigh

Once again, I don’t have to explain why I voted yes. Same reason why we don’t need your novels as to why we need to vote no... if it passes, it passes, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t... u spend way too much time trying to convince ppl to think like you ... no one really cares what you think
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Old 01-22-2018, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MileHi
Just over two years ago at the end of 2015, 76% of voters believed that the conspiracy theory of the company undercutting our leverage by fully exploiting unlimited signing bonuses was simply tinfoil hat fear mongering. We were right. You were wrong. The company is paying WELL BELOW market average for recruitment, and nowhere near the high. It is this history (to learn from) that actions speak louder than words...yes, even yours. Declaring loudly that the company is gonna pull the rug from underneath the pilots hasn't bore any fruit, and there's no reason for it to in the future.

Regarding retention, the company could've easily done what the AA WOs are doing; raise new hire bonuses to $40K+ and shift FO pay to year three. They know their pilots won't leave and are stuck waiting for the elusive flow. Instead, RAH mgmt decided it would be better to engage the pilots and honor those who have been here the longest by paying the highest in the industry. Once again, actions speak louder than words.

I'm sorry this doesn't fit your narrative resulting in conspiracy laden insult tossing the only recourse remaining for you. I don't think you understand the industry. And honestly, other than screaming for a No vote, I don't really know what you think is acceptable. You want the highest pay for captains? Check. Wages aren't flattening as you keep saying. I don't know any guy flying an RJ who thinks $140/hr+ is a horrible rate. And the pilots will be well positioned to demand more, assuming other carriers can keep up.

In conclusion, the CAs will be the highest paid with some of the best work rules in the industry (which is what you wanted). Also, the company will continue (just as they've done over the last 20 years) to offer the bare minimum, and not a dollar more, to attract new hires. Because, once again, they'd rather put money into a contract for everyone already on property than pay people not here yet. That's something we can all "cheer" for.

Is there anything in the TA that might make life easier for commuters?


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