Otterbox

It almost always makes sense to pay more to recruit new talent.

It’s actually less costly to pay higher recruitment bonuses and attach commitments to them for a smaller # of people than to increase pay and benefits for a larger # of people.

Attrition from the top of the list is fine as long as you’re replacing and training enough to staff. Overall, replacing a % of more expensive employees with longer longevity and associated higher pay and benefits with cheaper new hire employees brings down the average cost of a labor group.

MileHi

Thank you for making my point. It's understandable if more expensive labor is replaced with cheaper labor. But that's not what's being discussed here. People on this board are fearing the creation of a new "A scale" where new hires are making MORE than those on property. That makes bad business sense. But if you think about it, that's what others on this board are arguing. Basically, "The company is taking money out of my pocket to overpay guys who aren't even here." Also, people are forgetting that the captains will be the highest paid pilots in the industry, along with some of the best work rules (hardly a short-changing by the company). The company recognizes the value of retention, which is exactly what the pilots want....company dollars in THEIR pockets, not just NHs. Once again, thank you, for proving the fallacy in the circular logic many here are espousing.

Ihatepilots

I voted YES just because I miss the Club 421 lanyards when it passed in 2015.

Also, some people here have way too much time on their hands to write novels... we get it, you voted no.

I’m hoping it passes, I miss the anger the pilot group used to have. Quitters.

hopeless in SEA

Everytime you speak, it makes it easier to show how little you add to a discussion. Keep it coming!

Ihatepilots

This isn’t a discussion, this is a circle jerk of bitter people ganging up on the one guy trying to explain their view but you don’t want to hear it.

Figured people in this country would have learned that telling people how they should vote doesn’t sit well

God bless Trump 😘

I feel bad for the people that come on here to get some info and have to read this bull****. SAD!

Otterbox

And now you’re talking about Endeavor...

The RAH TA falls short of industry leading by ALOT. Hopefully it gets voted down and those negotiating go back and argue for pilot interests as hard as they’re trying to sell this lack luster TA.

$7/hr increase at sign = highest paid pilots in the industry?... SMH.

I hope for the sake of the industry this gets sent back. If the members of the union currently involved can’t dig deep and represent their pilot group effectively, maybe they need to be replaced.

Ihatepilots

We should take a poll of the people that say “vote no for the sake of the industry” actually volunteered to be a part of the NC... I’m sure it’d be surprisingly low

hopeless in SEA

You are living, walking, proof that someone can have one portion of their brain shriveled up into a pea-sized object, and still function in day-to-day life. God's creation is miraculous, that's for sure.

You still don't get the argument, which is obvious to every other person here, save 2.

Which is that two years ago, you, MileHi, voted to give:

NEW HIRES a 74% gain for doing nothing,

topped-out FO's a 37% gain for a few years of service,

1st year Captains a 24% gain for about 8 years of service, depending on upgrade time,

10 year Captains a 17% gain for their obvious 10 years,

and 18-20 year Captains around 10%.

Only the last two categories were even here for that 12-year, single-contract period. Only the last two categories watched their purchasing power decrease, and their cost-of-living increase. By huge margins.

This is all exactly backwards, it's all your fault (as much as being mentally challenged can be), and ...

It proves all of our points. Namely that the pay structure is changed, by being flattened. That they are taking money out of the pockets of the most committed employees and giving it to guys who aren't contributing as much; or even here yet, with the bonuses and tuition reimbursement that YOU gave them. And my favorite ... that the company most certainly does not value retention, as you claim they do.

And the more you call these false claims, the more you are laughed at.

Now you want to do more of the same by stretching those larger gains over a time-period that is to be determined by management.

You are a RETARD, who is only capable of spelling words like fallacy, logic, and espousing. You still don't know what they actually mean though!

hopeless in SEA

We should take a poll on the number of times you've parroted someone else, or called names, without ever adding a single coherent thought that had some form of deduction or induction to it.

You're just MileHi's wife, aren't you?

Yes, Yes you are.

MileHi

This is hilarious. Minutes before this post, you went on yet another incoherent rant of nonsense ladled with personal insults that YOU slung. And you did it with the caps lock on! Pot, meet kettle. 🤣🤣🤣