ORD170

Wouldn’t go to Republic for ORD. That may change in the near future though. Indianapolis will be a Republic as long as there’re in business though. I did the commute for a few years, and it’s pretty easy. Worst case you can drive it.


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hopeless in SEA

I can certainly agree with you on this one.

The problem is that there are two types of people. There are those who would sacrifice their advantage during a pilot shortage to acquire more for themselves now, while dooming themselves later. And there are those who would not give one penny during a time of growing strength, knowing that gains are coming and chances don't need to be taken.

The first kind wants to vote yes to this crap, because they see sunshine and roses now, but they'll be the first to complain when the market turns for 30 years.

Think about Scope Clauses. And then go ask any senior legacy pilot why he lost his job, his house, his car, his boat, and his wife after 9/11 while all the regional guys kept flying. At 1/3 the cost. Hell, they're still asking for more money just to make up for their own dumb mistake. (But that doesn't stop some of them from blaming the poor regional guy).

There are some trolls on here, sure. And there are some management and union traitors, as well. No doubt. But for all of you honest, decent, pilot people . . . think about this. You cannot grow yourselves into a great career by giving away your own money to subsidize Republic's hiring pool for movement or advancement.

The only leverage you will ever have is high-barrier-to-entry requirements for the job, and small numbers of well-qualified (and fun to fly with) professionals. So add the money to your paycheck!

hopeless in SEA

It never ceases to amaze me that if you ask a pilot where to deposit his $17,500 signing bonus, he'll say "Cut me a check!"

Then when the accountant says, "Hey, Bob. You would make more money if you added that amount to your pay scales over the long haul," then Bob asks for higher pay rates, instead.

Eventually, when the company comes to Bob and demands that they need back the $17,500, for "reasons," Bob tells them to pound sand.

But when they come back during an early opener for the contract, and make the same request to take Bob's $17,500 for "a new-hire bonus," then Bob is like, "Oh, sure, you can have whatever you need to move me up." Never mind that Bob has lost money NOW, and killed off his own future leverage, by lowering the barriers-to-entry for all the high schoolers who want his life. Quite literally, all of Bob's life.

hopeless in SEA

Also, just FYI . . .

If you work for any of the code-sharing regional airlines, then I hope that you've realized by now that every penny you've ever received came from the legacy airlines. They paid your management, so that management could pay you. And then management walks away with as much as they can lie about, after threatening, deceiving, and paying off others.

That means that when Delta, United, American, and Alaska make BILLIONS, and they have been for awhile, you should make more to. And while you can't do the negotiating for your management team, you certainly can let them know where the money belongs.

Here's a hint. It belongs to you. And not the next generation of people who want your job.

I would just love to know how many of you are comparing jobs at the mainline carriers based on their "new-hire bonuses." Or are you more interested in how they reward their on-property people?

hopeless in SEA

Don't vote YES until you see the bloodshot whites of their eyes.

When the bonuses for new-hires, and the tuition reimbursements for candidates, are lowered to ZERO.

When the pilots who are actually voting and employed here, are the same pilots who are making significantly more.

Nothing drives career growth like getting richer where you're at. And let the college kids come up with their own plans and sacrifices, the way that many of you did.

Don't let fear cause you to lose heart. Even half of our employees can't find open seats for their commute, so don't believe for one second that you will be downsized into profitability. And if the regionals are around 50% of the flying market, who's gonna pick up the other millions of seats in the meantime? Not to mention that they'd lose all of their money retraining you. (That's why they want you to flow more than you do!)

And yes, there will be more mergers and acquisitions. That's a guarantee, so I hope that you've got language to guard against the scenarios. Then you won't have to negotiate that away, either!

dblbubble rider

A word of caution to the junior FOs who lean towards a YES to this lowball:
The majority of us when we joined this company believed that we would be out of here to a major or jetblue in a couple of years,like you probably do right now.
Well guess what:after quite a few years,most of us are still trying. Unless you are a sought after minority or ex-military,it might take more than a little while...
So please think twice before saying yes to what will take away our only leverage. You may have to be here more than what you think.For a couple of bucks, you will enable the company to never return to the negotiating table. Think also how unfair it is for you who joined the company some months only short of the huge bonuses they want to implement with nothing for you in return

dblbubble rider

Just some ideas:
Don’t look so much at the cherry picking details the company presents to us while neglecting the big picture:
Basic rules of negotiating:
-the party initiating the talks will always have to offer more than the initial offer.Test the waters strategy.
-they will always try to present the particular negotiation as special,with special circumstances etc. There is nothing special about this negotiation: they are just trying to maximize profits-it is called business,and nothing wrong with it.And us to protect our interests.
-plans the company has made about expansion are based on conservative estimates that include pilots not accepting the lowest offer. Investors seek certainty and stability. They have already considered in their plans us not accepting their offer.

Everyone remembers how final their best and final offer was in the past....For most of us their offer boils down to around 25k after taxes over the course of 3 years...how much would it change your life?

Thewrongstufff

Junior fo here... hard NO from me. Regardless of how long I or anyone stays here it should be much better for all of us. And anyone thinking why the company would agree to negotiate after last contract fiasco..... they have something scheming in the background they just need to shut us up first before they can move on it. They aren’t coming to the table out of good graces and anyone too dumb not to see it should not have the right to vote

TheWeatherman

Nobody hired October or later can vote, Union rules. That should actually help out the no vote a bit.

aperfcrcle

What signs other than the proposed language?