CBreezy

This. It is not the job of the union to recruit and staff the airline. It is the job of the company. Why everyone insists the union should negotiate for things that are company wants is beyond me.

ex9driver

What prevents the company given the new language of giving the company discretion on timing of bonuses from paying people who attend their flight school over a multi year period. Basically a scholarship to attend our flight school and become a qualified FO in two years? Now you create a farm system for your airline circumventing the CBA and you have a steady stream of trained pilots meanwhile the company has no incentive to improve work rules for people here. Growth is good and we are all for it just not on our backs. Many pilots give equal weight to work rules ,quality of life and pay rates. There are many shortcomings in the present CBA regarding QOL issues.

CBreezy

What's to prevent the company from giving raises to schedulers and dispatchers? Nothing. The CBA does not control what money is paid to non-seniority list pilots. In fact, in terms of growth, pilots should be supportive of a free flight school for perspective new hires.

ex9driver

Nice try. Dispatchers and schedulers aren't qualified to fill a pilot seat. Duh! They need pilots bad especially if they have growth plans. With your logic the company should spend thousands on new hires who can barely fly but are qualified and get rid of people who have been here more then ten years. Why keep a ten year CA when a one year can do? Oh that's right that's exactly what they would like to do but there is a pilot shortage preventing that. Captains who plan on being here for a while for whatever their reasons want a decent life and when the company can get all the young pilots they want pay them bonuses and spread out the cost for several years at a flight school and pay senior guys minimal its a win win. Let me ask you a question. If they had plenty of new hires to staff their growth, why in the fu$k would they want to negotiate better work rules when that costs them money?

iahflyr

So what are the FO rates they are offering?

ORD170

1-9 years. Increase about $1-2 years 2-3.
45.00; 50.00; 51.00; 52.02; 53.06; 54.12; 55.20; 56.31; 57.43




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blindfayth

As a potential new hire in late 2018 when i will be hitting my hours target, and someone who's on the fence between two regionals, the whole Republic package is *mostly* looking attractive.

I just wish the base pay would go up, and the bonuses went down. I'm not really interested in a big signing bonus, but rather a higher base pay so that I'd be rewarded more for picking up extra flying. This would be both fair to myself for working harder, and to pilots already on property.

Things that I like:
1) By contract, at least for now, no Jr Manning. (QOL)
2) No airport ready reserve. (QOL)
3) ORD, CMH, MCI bases. I prefer living in the mid-west, and would be willing to move to wherever I get sent. Nothing tying me down where I am now. Lots of nice suburbs that are <1 hr drive from the airport there. (QOL)
4) Good number of days off (QOL)
5) I *hear* that it's less hostile between labor & management here than.. other places. Can't confirm myself. (QOL)
6) Hopefully don't have to be sent to NYC. (QOL)

Right now, for my situation, Endeavor and Republic are close for me. However, Endeavor is slightly on top because of their base compensation package, nice 401k matching, good commuter policy, and seemingly non-hostile labor/management relationship. I also would love to stay in Michigan, and get a DTW base if possible (and move to the Macomb, MI area, which looks really nice).

Skywest used to be on top of my list 3 years ago when I was still a student pilot, but they seem to be very resistant about increasing pilot compensation. Very disappointing.

Republic could easily be my #1 place I'd like to end up by year's end if this TA ends up matching Endeavor. I have no desire to have a NYC domicile.

knewyork

Something is in the works... many signs point to a merger or acquisition very soon.

Voski

I'm also a potential 2018 new hire but am reluctant due to everything I've read about how senior ORD is. I suppose attrition with the major carriers picking up hiring could increase movement, but I've read on here that ORD is a small base and may be closing in the next year or two. No bueno.

If you don't mind DTW, Endeavor sounds like the way to go.

ORD170

This^^^^^

I would expect announcement no later then the party in February. Could be a good deal, or bad though, especially when you talk about merger. Ask any tier three 2007-2008 hires about how that works.


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