Snowbound

The Provisions in the CPA don't matter. There are not enough people interested in this career (unless they get obscene bonuses) to cover the flying that would potentially be removed. The retirements/movements would outpace new hires that could be hired by anyone to replace Republic. I call their bluff.

Snowbound

Their CPA wouldn't matter. If Republic could not fulfill their obligation there would not be enough people interested in this career (unless they got an obscene bonus) for a competitor to hire and replace the flying. Again, this is if EVERYONE voted no.

Lostboys97

I would bet those provisions were put in place so RAH doesn’t have a 2014/2015 cancellation apocalypse all over again. If BB wanted to shrink to profitability he would have let it happen during the bankruptcy, and not brought on more Delta planes, more UA planes, and 1 AA which was parked in RME. You can not let either side inflict fear by voting a certain way.
My opinion, you can not open that box of unlimited incentives/bonuses/reimbursements. Protect the industry! Just look at what scope relief has done.

DirkDiggler

That is spot on. The only reason they are coming to you guys to begin with is because of the shortage of new hires. When new hires are plentiful they will stall negotiations for 8+ years. And it's not like that hasn't happened before.

If you give up unlimited new hire bonuses you will probably never see another TA, ever. There's no reason to. Keep the longevity down, get the crusty angry people to leave. It will keep pilot costs low.

knewyork

Well now the idea is that these loan payments are for pilots on the seniority list. Not for to-be-new-hires.

Lostboys97

You’re joking right? Unless a pilot was already ‘locked in’ as an employee(which would prove intent to be employed at RAH) when they took on the loans/debt to be certificated as a pilot, there is no chance the company will reimburse a pilot already on property!

knewyork

Who knows, one could interpret the wording that way. It just says the company can reimburse the costs associated with becoming elligible for an FO a position to “Pilots”. Which is specified in the contract as someone on the seniority list. I think there may be further explanation that as a “Pilot” you have to be qualified to attend indoc or some similar qualification. I’m not sure though. Someone can clarify.

ORD170

Nice summary to show why this will not help the company, unless they offer bonuses to new hires that exceed what they’re currently offering. They will attract new hires I’m sure, but it will be at the cost of the FOs already on property. The union stance I believe is the 15 plus year captains didn’t get much in 2015, but I would argue they got their in 2003. Republics captains rates were above industry average for most of the 2003 contract, so I suppose we could argue that the FOs getting a motor raise from 2015 CBA was just making them whole from the 2003 mess.

Again I ask how does paying a 20 year captain 15 more then Endeavor help attract FOs? Does the NC really think that FOs come to Republic to make it a career? for 99% would answer no.


I’m out of here, but I will be voting NO on my way out the door! If I was a junior FO I would I would vote no, and if this POS passes, I would leave ASAP. Wonder what they would do if 150 FOs resigned in 1 month?


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MileHi

If your argument is Republic only needs to hire FOs, then they don't really need to negotiate at all. They're currently no where near the bonus limits they are contractually allowed. Right now, they are fat staffed and were staffing neutral for all of 2017. Republic needs staffing reliability in order to grow. The NC's narrative was that in order to ensure proper future staffing, the company must look at attrition as well as recruitment. The captain rates did not keep up with inflation in the 2015 CBA. The FO rates did. Considering the company will always expend their own efforts for recruitment, why should the NC waste theirs on the same? I for one am glad the company is finally willing to recognize and reward the people who have dedicated the most to republic. As you said, you're already out the door. No incentive would've kept you around anyway. So, why complain about feeling shorted if the effort to retain you was in vain? Thanks for making my point. Best of luck at your new airline.

ORD170

Many FOs are ****ed about the pay-rates, because they were told by the union and company they would get Endeavor rates. I flew with many who expected 9E rates, so of course they are upset. I guess if it passes we will see how many leave over this TA.

I would not leave for anything less then the big 4, but I believe FOs will make lateral moves and go to LCCs. Oh I would have stayed, if I didn’t get the call. My life isn’t bad here, but I’m not a junior FO either. I have 11 years seniority, so no way I would leave to anywhere besides the big 4. If I had 18 months or less, I would be sending out resumes.

Who knows what will be announced next month, and that could change everything I suppose. Republic still has the best crew around, but that doesn’t pay the bills.



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