2018 Tentative Agreement
01-11-2018, 03:29 PM
#192
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Who is doing this? Certainly not Republic. If this is going on, nothing in the current CBA stops them from being able to pay that amount. Voting down this TA does not prevent them from paying that amount (except for after a year and then it is limited to 105% of an average amount). As said before, there is a lot of fearmongering and half-truths being spouted.
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01-11-2018, 04:45 PM
#194
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Try to make it to a road show. The NC member were informative and honest. I didn’t like everything that was said, but it made sense. I’m out of here soon, so this LOA has very little impact on me. I’m a no, because I believe it will negatively impact the profession. Great deal for the 15 plus year guys though....
01-11-2018, 04:54 PM
#195
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Who is doing this? Certainly not Republic. If this is going on, nothing in the current CBA stops them from being able to pay that amount. Voting down this TA does not prevent them from paying that amount (except for after a year and then it is limited to 105% of an average amount). As said before, there is a lot of fearmongering and half-truths being spouted.
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01-11-2018, 06:04 PM
#197
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Position: E170 CA
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Comparing and contrasting QOL to pay rates is comparing to apples to oranges. Match or beat Endeavor pay and then match or beat Endeavor on QOL matters. That's how you obtain an industry leading contract and staff the airline. Why do you think Delta and United keep matching each other on pay? Is QOL contract language identical at those two carriers? Of course not.
Also, I am not too familiar with the Republic contract and company culture/management friendliness but you have grossly overstated QOL shortcomings at Endeavor. As I have stated here as have numerous other Endeavor pilots, we have much better than average language on scheduling, premium pay, reserve rules, etc and in my opinion a great culture. additionally, many times scheduling and management goes above and beyond the contract to keep us happy... e.g. Providing hotels and positive space travel prior to IOE, early reserve release, matching 401k catch-up contributions (that's $6000 for any pilot over 50 who wishes to participate!!). Please stop ****ting on our company to sell your lackluster contract.
Also, I am not too familiar with the Republic contract and company culture/management friendliness but you have grossly overstated QOL shortcomings at Endeavor. As I have stated here as have numerous other Endeavor pilots, we have much better than average language on scheduling, premium pay, reserve rules, etc and in my opinion a great culture. additionally, many times scheduling and management goes above and beyond the contract to keep us happy... e.g. Providing hotels and positive space travel prior to IOE, early reserve release, matching 401k catch-up contributions (that's $6000 for any pilot over 50 who wishes to participate!!). Please stop ****ting on our company to sell your lackluster contract.
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01-11-2018, 06:37 PM
#198
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That’s true, but the goal as stated from the outset was to be able to attract and retain not just retain. As I stated previously no negotiation will 100% go our way.
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01-11-2018, 08:56 PM
#199
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If Republic, and all the other regionals, would keep voting NO to these proposals that involve new hire bonuses....it would force the majors to take this flying back in house and this nonsense would end. Most of you may not remember this, but there was a time when these code-sharing regionals did not exist. There was NEVER a time when it made sense for a pilot to give up his pay to offer a bonus to someone who isn’t even an employee yet.
Look further ahead than next year. THIS INDUSTRY CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE 2000 PILOTS IN ONE FELL SWOOP. Stand strong, vote NO. You will not only survive, but you will prosper.
Look further ahead than next year. THIS INDUSTRY CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE 2000 PILOTS IN ONE FELL SWOOP. Stand strong, vote NO. You will not only survive, but you will prosper.
01-11-2018, 09:04 PM
#200
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If Republic, and all the other regionals, would keep voting NO to these proposals that involve new hire bonuses....it would force the majors to take this flying back in house and this nonsense would end. Most of you may not remember this, but there was a time when these code-sharing regionals did not exist. There was NEVER a time when it made sense for a pilot to give up his pay to offer a bonus to someone who isn’t even an employee yet.
Look further ahead than next year. THIS INDUSTRY CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE 2000 PILOTS IN ONE FELL SWOOP. Stand strong, vote NO. You will not only survive, but you will prosper.
Look further ahead than next year. THIS INDUSTRY CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE 2000 PILOTS IN ONE FELL SWOOP. Stand strong, vote NO. You will not only survive, but you will prosper.
You’re right, but apparently there are provisions in our CPAs that if the airline starts to fail at meeting its metric the flying will be removed incrementally to prevent that one fell swoop. Apparently this provision was added by our codeshare partners when we went through BK. So we shrink to profitability. We need to be able to attract and retain. So anyone who says we as pilots don’t need to worry about attracting new pilots doesn’t realize the larger picture. Of course most of us don’t want to be here longer than we have to, but if something like this does happen there will be people here that will have to deal with this and it will have a negative effect on them. So it does in fact benefit us as pilots to worry about recruitment.
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