hopeless in SEA

hello, mr. fox

CBreezy

Mr. Fox? In the study with the candlestick?

ORD170

No I think most would have went along with this LOA, if the company added some QOL items and removed the concession in 3.O.
If you think Republic management is doing this to be nice, you’re in for a very big surprise. If you’re a FO at Republic now, especially junior FO, you should be very scared if this passes. Is it rational to increase captains rates more then FO rates in the current hiring environment? Why all the added language for mergers and acquisitions? Should you give BB the ability to pay new hire an extra 50k per year without matching for pilots on seniority list?
Most never expected 9E rates, but the current offer will not do.

If it passes (which I seriously doubt), then I suspect new FOs will be hired this summer with a extra 10k per year. Enjoy......

stringandrudder

This is assuming every junior FO would want to stay if it passes! I know plenty on the fence even before this let down of a TA was proposed. If this passes, I expect an exodus. I’d argue most DID expect Endeavor rates considering that’s what our union told us! If anyone argues otherwise, they’re delusional.

ORD170

I know BB basically said we would exceed 9E, because I was there, and I’ve seen the payday updates, which also said the same thing. For those of use that have been through this before, we know BB lies. We also know the teamsters have a history of over promising, and under delivering. I have no idea why they increased the senior captains pay so much, but that’s another reason it would be hard to get 9E rates.

I’m hopeful this gets voted down, but I think it will be close. Honesty if you want Endeavor rates, then you should go to Endeavor. If this passes they will have no issues getting FOs, because their pay will exceed 9E.

4V14T0R

Why would they give a $50K signing bonus when no one else is? That makes no sense. There have only ever been incremental increase in the bonus. The current CBA allows for any bonus amount currently and a limit after the amendable date. There’s a whole lot of fear mongering going on (not directly solely at you). Just doing a cursory review the FOs see a larger bump as a percentage than CAs, why should they get even more like last time. This TA was meant to benefit both ends of the seniority list not just the junior end like last time. This MAY help more people decide to stay who were on the fence, but those that always had plans to leave more than likely still have those plans but now may hold out for a legacy to call.

“If you think Republic Management is doing this to be nice,” c’mon man it’s a negotiation. There is give and take. It’s an unrealistic and childish expectation to think that Republic management gets nothing from a negotiation. Not quite as bad as the dude above asking for EDV +50% though (*******ing stunning that someone has that high of an unrealistic expectation if that was for real). No negotiation will ever go exactly as one side wants it and if you want to wait til that day happens it’ll be too late because you’ll be dead.

Sure we can vote this down and wait another year and a half for a response to the rejection like how the last one happened (which was needed by the way), but by the time that comes we will be back in negotiations any way within a couple months.


Flame away....


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DirkDiggler

Leverage. A big component of negotiations. Even our President the big negotiator touts leverage as the most important thing. Your only leverage is staffing.

Ornstein the CEO of Mesa said it best, and I'm paraphrasing but "As long as the pilots keep coming to the door, I'm paying too much."

To give Republic carte blanche on hiring bonuses is absolutely foolish.

ex9driver

1. With respect to signing bonuses, stipends and other new hire incentives, the Company has the
discretion to offer, and to increase or decrease, signing bonuses and/or incentives in its
recruitment efforts of New Hire Pilots. The Company has the discretion regarding the timing
of payments of such signing bonuses and/or incentives for New Hire FO Pilots.
2. The Company, in its discretion, may forgive or reimburse (directly or indirectly, in whole or
in part, over any duration(s) defined by the Company) any loan(s) that were taken out by
Pilots (or provided to the Pilot) to offset costs associated with any form of training, education
and/or certification of becoming qualified to be a New Hire Pilot at the Company.


Here’s the problem with this section. It sets up a separate system of dealing with new hires outside of the CBA. New hire bonuses are one thing however this allows the timing and size of bonuses to be set by the company. What’s to prevent them from setting up a bonus paid every year for three years to new hires while FOs on the property get nothing? The companies discretion? Give me a break! They are opening a door to attract pilots totally separate from the rest of the pilots covered by the CBA. People would be open to this if it was tied to the rest of the group. The company exceeds a certain amount in bonuses to new hires than all pilots receive some compensation. If the pilot shortage is real than the union has leverage but this gives it up.

ex9driver

When I refer to leverage I’m talking leverage to come back to the table to fix the many issues besides compensation that are lacking in the current CBA.

NYC Pilot

Can someone post the pay rates for this new tentative agreement? Just curious to see how high the max captain rates are. First officer rates are disappointing for sure.