Originally Posted by DirkDiggler

It looks like you guys have a few management people on your forums trying to sell your TA hard. MileHi especially.

Unless somebody does a side by side costing of Republic's TA and Endeavor's CBA, which takes about a week to do, it's all hearsay and conjecture.

Originally Posted by Base2Final

Unfortunately I'm afraid they are the NC guys. They know something in regards to a merger/acquisition/IPO but are not willing to tell us. Whether it's a scare tactic or not I don't know. Busdrivers very first post was blasting rah now he supports this Loa. Very odd tactic, just tell us what's behind the curtain. Who are we buying or whose buying us. Why can't the company afford to pay endeavour rates?

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Originally Posted by MileHi

Also I think many of us are concerned about why the local is pushing this so hard.


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Originally Posted by MileHi

AA wholly owned are already negotiating? No, they're not. And by the way, Republic's CURRENT CBA still puts them on top in rates until they were recently surpassed by Endeavor and Horizon. Truthfully, republic held the top spot longer than they ever should have. Moving someone artificially down the pay scale to keep up with other carriers is not CBA negotiating, it's not even an LOA. But that's what the AA WOs are doing, playing catch up. NCs can't negotiate flows and pref interviews. That's only between MGMTs. Also, retention bonuses are only a sign of a bad CBA. Don't believe me? Then why did endeavor negotiate them away? They did it because they were missing a lot of soft pay. Smart move if you ask me. Now, if you're just talking pay rates, you're right. Republic doesn't catch (in some cases surpass) Endeavor until 1/1/2020. But there are a lot of items where one could easily argue Republics offer on the table was better (no junior man, no Co basing, lower HC premiums, better company hsa contributions, better vacation accrual, better min day pay, higher per diem, better uniform policy/allotment, and a higher monthly credit average with the same days off). We do all realize that contracts aren't just pay rates, right? Us on this board are smart enough to know that these additional cost items not only affect QOL, but add up to more money in your pocket, right? We're able to look at the totality of a deal and not just one item, right? We realize, just like endeavor pilots FINALLY did, that retention bonuses work in management's favor and are a sign of a poor CBA, right? There is not a single carrier currently in section 6. Only republic is attempting to keep up with endeavor. No one else. Hopefully others will continue to push the bar, but I'm not counting on Skywest or TSH anytime soon.

Originally Posted by ORD170

Could it be because a company parrot who was pushing for LBFO last time around was appointed into the NC ? Could it be because another pilot who lived at the HQ by doing interviews while we were in contract negotations is in the NC ?

You put management friendly people in the NC , you get management friendly TA.

Yes that’s probably it! Apparently they were the only volunteers, but who knows. It will get voted down, and when the attrition picks up this spring, it will be a mess.

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Originally Posted by MileHi

Wait, wait, wait! You're telling me that PSA is gonna come in and save the day by raising the bar for the entire industry??? Now, I've heard everything!

And you realize negotiating a flow RATE is different than a non WO negotiating a flow, right? It seems like your selective amnesia is partly why the industry got in this mess in the first place. When carriers take concessions for flows, it lowers the bar of the entire industry. Republic stopped the race to the bottom. Other carriers are starting to catch up. But I'd place my money on Skywest or Compass raising the bar before ever seeing an AA WO do the same.

Originally Posted by ORD170

Could it be because a company parrot who was pushing for LBFO last time around was appointed into the NC ? Could it be because another pilot who lived at the HQ by doing interviews while we were in contract negotations is in the NC ?

You put management friendly people in the NC , you get management friendly TA.



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Originally Posted by MileHi

Sounds like you Endeavor guys need to get your stories straight. First a guy says there's no junior manning, then you prove him wrong. I stated 11 days off is the contractual minimum for endeavor lineholders vs 12 at republic. This is another fact you confirmed. Also, the AVERAGE line credit at Endeavor is 76 hours with 14 off vs 87 hours at republic. These are factual averages. YMMV. Junior manning is irrelevant when your family life suffers.

Originally Posted by CRJ All Day

I was on a picked up trip before a few days of reserve. They switched my schedule around since they thought I was on reserve and got delayed till the next day. I am the only person that I know that has been jr manned since I started and it worked out in my favor since I got 10hrs extra pay and had a night in a hotel instead of the crashpad. Really didn't feel like explaining that especially since you are clearly management.