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Old 12-30-2017, 10:59 AM
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Compensation shouldn't be the first thing negotiated in contract talks, and if it is, you have a contract to be worried about.

More likely they are talking about some sort of LGA/EWR/JFK co-basing scheme to sell the reservists down the river.
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TJBrass
Compensation shouldn't be the first thing negotiated in contract talks, and if it is, you have a contract to be worried about.

More likely they are talking about some sort of LGA/EWR/JFK co-basing scheme to sell the reservists down the river.
Agreed, it should be last. I don’t believe any articles have even been TA, but we will see. I’m sure they will ask for Co-basing, and probably JM to offset any increased cost due to compensation.
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Old 12-30-2017, 04:16 PM
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Yea, I mean you're right. It makes much more sense for us all to listen to you complain and speculate like a little child for the next couple of weeks when we were told we will be given an update. Give it a rest dude.
While I agree with you, I will also point out that at least the last three PDU's have all said one way or another "we will give a better update on the next PDU" and have kicked the can further down the road.

Now this could be for one of multiple reasons:

*keeping negotiations out of the public domain, which this thread proves there is a reason to do

* they don't truely have much to update us on

* or they feel they are making good progress and are hoping to have something firmed up for the next PDU but it ultimately doesn't happen as fast as they want so it causes these frequent vague PDU updates.
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Old 12-30-2017, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tpinks
While I agree with you, I will also point out that at least the last three PDU's have all said one way or another "we will give a better update on the next PDU" and have kicked the can further down the road.

Now this could be for one of multiple reasons:

*keeping negotiations out of the public domain, which this thread proves there is a reason to do

* they don't truely have much to update us on

* or they feel they are making good progress and are hoping to have something firmed up for the next PDU but it ultimately doesn't happen as fast as they want so it causes these frequent vague PDU updates.
I’m sure the negotiating committee members signed non disclosure agreements. We don’t know how strict they are, but I would be surprised if they are not allowed to say which articles been agreed to by both sides. They should be able to release a score card of articles they have TAed.
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Old 01-02-2018, 08:24 AM
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Mgmt better get on board quickly, we are quickly falling behind again and are loosing a bunch of new FOs to quick upgrades and flow.
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Old 01-02-2018, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mtn Monkey
Mgmt better get on board quickly, we are quickly falling behind again and are loosing a bunch of new FOs to quick upgrades and flow.
I’m sure they know things are bad, but they haven’t decided what the solution will be, and how much it will impact their balance sheet.

Just got email about the party, so they obviously aren’t in the red.
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mtn Monkey
Mgmt better get on board quickly, we are quickly falling behind again and are loosing a bunch of new FOs to quick upgrades and flow.
Is that true though? I haven’t seen that many leaving for other regionals. A few to envoy, one to commutair, and I haven’t seen any go to endeavor yet. I thought we’d see a bunch of edv for December but apparently no one went.
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Is that true though? I haven’t seen that many leaving for other regionals. A few to envoy, one to commutair, and I haven’t seen any go to endeavor yet. I thought we’d see a bunch of edv for December but apparently no one went.
Total attrition isn’t that bad. Looks like -1 for 2017. Attrition from training failures seem kinda high, but probably similar to other regionals. Union update soon....,,
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Old 01-03-2018, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by knewyork
Is that true though? I haven’t seen that many leaving for other regionals. A few to envoy, one to commutair, and I haven’t seen any go to endeavor yet. I thought we’d see a bunch of edv for December but apparently no one went.
Endeavor is backed up with interviews and class dates. My friend interviewed the 2nd and has a March class date. I interview the 31st and am expecting a April/May class date.

I’m at GoJet but the situation is the same at both airlines. They have about 2 months max to fix their problems or they are gonna get slammed with attrition right before the summer rush.
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Old 01-03-2018, 05:39 PM
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Things can't be that bad I just saw your NC Vice-Chair show that staffing levels are normalized and only -1 for the year. I wouldn't count on too much.
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