Looking for company advice
01-05-2017, 04:24 PM
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Looking for company advice
I'm looking for advice regarding Envoy vs. GoJet. There is so much crap out there, I'm looking for some people that have actually been to these places and can provide some guidance. I have spent months reading, calling, meeting, and reading some more on all of the regionals, and have narrowed it down to these two. Before anyone posts links to each of the companies' respective threads, I have read each of them in their entirety.
I'm currently flying 135 and looking to break into the 121 game. I've done hours and hours of research on these companies, read all of the threads on this site, newsletters/magazines, talked to recruiters, reached out to pilots at each company, and more. I've done my work, but I'm talking about the non tangibles. I get that QOL isn't the greatest with regionals, but I'm just looking for a little time to give to my Fiancé so she doesn't leave me. My goal is to eventually end up at a major.
I live in Denver, and have family in Dallas. I love Denver and really don't want to move.
Envoy:
-Better pay and better sign on bonus
-Flow
-Training pay is higher
-Looking to hire a lot of pilots this year, thus hopefully moving me up in seniority.
-Slightly better deadhead pay
GoJet:
-Quicker upgrade
-Denver base
-Faster reserve
-Less pay at first
-Slightly better minimum day guarantee
Envoy is ALPA, GoJet is IBT. Not sure if that matters. Both offer hotels for commuters.
Equipment doesn't really mean that much to me, as long as I'm progressing in my career and growing.
I guess I'm asking is commuting worth it for a little more pay and flow, to a maybe slightly more established regional airline, or should I stay home with someone that has a domicile where I want to live?
To those that offer to help, thank you very much. I'm not looking to start a 1700 page thread with arguing, I'm just looking for some advice. Happy New Year everyone!
I'm currently flying 135 and looking to break into the 121 game. I've done hours and hours of research on these companies, read all of the threads on this site, newsletters/magazines, talked to recruiters, reached out to pilots at each company, and more. I've done my work, but I'm talking about the non tangibles. I get that QOL isn't the greatest with regionals, but I'm just looking for a little time to give to my Fiancé so she doesn't leave me. My goal is to eventually end up at a major.
I live in Denver, and have family in Dallas. I love Denver and really don't want to move.
Envoy:
-Better pay and better sign on bonus
-Flow
-Training pay is higher
-Looking to hire a lot of pilots this year, thus hopefully moving me up in seniority.
-Slightly better deadhead pay
GoJet:
-Quicker upgrade
-Denver base
-Faster reserve
-Less pay at first
-Slightly better minimum day guarantee
Envoy is ALPA, GoJet is IBT. Not sure if that matters. Both offer hotels for commuters.
Equipment doesn't really mean that much to me, as long as I'm progressing in my career and growing.
I guess I'm asking is commuting worth it for a little more pay and flow, to a maybe slightly more established regional airline, or should I stay home with someone that has a domicile where I want to live?
To those that offer to help, thank you very much. I'm not looking to start a 1700 page thread with arguing, I'm just looking for some advice. Happy New Year everyone!
01-05-2017, 04:40 PM
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Posts: 83
I'm looking for advice regarding Envoy vs. GoJet. There is so much crap out there, I'm looking for some people that have actually been to these places and can provide some guidance. I have spent months reading, calling, meeting, and reading some more on all of the regionals, and have narrowed it down to these two. Before anyone posts links to each of the companies' respective threads, I have read each of them in their entirety.
I'm currently flying 135 and looking to break into the 121 game. I've done hours and hours of research on these companies, read all of the threads on this site, newsletters/magazines, talked to recruiters, reached out to pilots at each company, and more. I've done my work, but I'm talking about the non tangibles. I get that QOL isn't the greatest with regionals, but I'm just looking for a little time to give to my Fiancé so she doesn't leave me. My goal is to eventually end up at a major.
I live in Denver, and have family in Dallas. I love Denver and really don't want to move.
Envoy:
-Better pay and better sign on bonus
-Flow
-Training pay is higher
-Looking to hire a lot of pilots this year, thus hopefully moving me up in seniority.
-Slightly better deadhead pay
GoJet:
-Quicker upgrade
-Denver base
-Faster reserve
-Less pay at first
-Slightly better minimum day guarantee
Envoy is ALPA, GoJet is IBT. Not sure if that matters. Both offer hotels for commuters.
Equipment doesn't really mean that much to me, as long as I'm progressing in my career and growing.
I guess I'm asking is commuting worth it for a little more pay and flow, to a maybe slightly more established regional airline, or should I stay home with someone that has a domicile where I want to live?
To those that offer to help, thank you very much. I'm not looking to start a 1700 page thread with arguing, I'm just looking for some advice. Happy New Year everyone!
I'm currently flying 135 and looking to break into the 121 game. I've done hours and hours of research on these companies, read all of the threads on this site, newsletters/magazines, talked to recruiters, reached out to pilots at each company, and more. I've done my work, but I'm talking about the non tangibles. I get that QOL isn't the greatest with regionals, but I'm just looking for a little time to give to my Fiancé so she doesn't leave me. My goal is to eventually end up at a major.
I live in Denver, and have family in Dallas. I love Denver and really don't want to move.
Envoy:
-Better pay and better sign on bonus
-Flow
-Training pay is higher
-Looking to hire a lot of pilots this year, thus hopefully moving me up in seniority.
-Slightly better deadhead pay
GoJet:
-Quicker upgrade
-Denver base
-Faster reserve
-Less pay at first
-Slightly better minimum day guarantee
Envoy is ALPA, GoJet is IBT. Not sure if that matters. Both offer hotels for commuters.
Equipment doesn't really mean that much to me, as long as I'm progressing in my career and growing.
I guess I'm asking is commuting worth it for a little more pay and flow, to a maybe slightly more established regional airline, or should I stay home with someone that has a domicile where I want to live?
To those that offer to help, thank you very much. I'm not looking to start a 1700 page thread with arguing, I'm just looking for some advice. Happy New Year everyone!
01-05-2017, 04:51 PM
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Posts: 857
DO NOT go to GoJet or Mesa.
I have heard stories of legacies banning people from these airlines simply because they work there. They will tell you to work somewhere else for a while before interviewing again. YMMV. Good luck!
I have heard stories of legacies banning people from these airlines simply because they work there. They will tell you to work somewhere else for a while before interviewing again. YMMV. Good luck!
01-05-2017, 04:53 PM
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01-05-2017, 11:42 PM
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01-06-2017, 04:25 AM
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Envoy = That good Mexican place that you will drive half an hour to get to because their Fish Tacos are awesome.
GoJet = The Taco Bell down the street.
That being said, commuting WILL destroy your home life. Especially in the beggining. She/He needs to be fully cognizant of the coming change to lifestyle. Reserve while living in base isn't bad at all. I actually enjoyed it at times. Now I am living away from base on reserve and I am starting to hate this career again. Taco Bell doesn't sound that bad anymore...
GoJet = The Taco Bell down the street.
That being said, commuting WILL destroy your home life. Especially in the beggining. She/He needs to be fully cognizant of the coming change to lifestyle. Reserve while living in base isn't bad at all. I actually enjoyed it at times. Now I am living away from base on reserve and I am starting to hate this career again. Taco Bell doesn't sound that bad anymore...
01-06-2017, 04:38 AM
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Position: 175 CA
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If you did that much research gojet wouldn't be a option.
Considering you're at a 135 you'd get $7500 bonus from Skywest. SkyWest has two bases near you. No flow but that isn't all it's cracked out to be. Under two year upgrade. 1 year 10 month last I saw. Hiring more than envoy and better schedules.
Considering you're at a 135 you'd get $7500 bonus from Skywest. SkyWest has two bases near you. No flow but that isn't all it's cracked out to be. Under two year upgrade. 1 year 10 month last I saw. Hiring more than envoy and better schedules.
01-06-2017, 05:07 AM
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If you did that much research gojet wouldn't be a option.
Considering you're at a 135 you'd get $7500 bonus from Skywest. SkyWest has two bases near you. No flow but that isn't all it's cracked out to be. Under two year upgrade. 1 year 10 month last I saw. Hiring more than envoy and better schedules.
Considering you're at a 135 you'd get $7500 bonus from Skywest. SkyWest has two bases near you. No flow but that isn't all it's cracked out to be. Under two year upgrade. 1 year 10 month last I saw. Hiring more than envoy and better schedules.
Flow is what it is. People are AA right now simply because of the flow. The more senior guys who got furloughed during 2001 and stagnated during the recession and age 65 bump, are at AA because of the flow. No one ever says I'm going to wait 16 years to go to AA but stuff happens.
Anyways SW is one of the best choices for a NH. If anyone chooses to commute to Envoy over living in base at SW, then they are crazy.
Right now it's hard for me to advise a pilot to choose Envoy while they are commuting. If they can get past the terrible QOL then good luck. But if your other option is GoJet then it's Envoy hands down.
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