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Old 09-27-2016, 07:52 AM
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Delta Mulls $2.3 Billion Regional-Jet Purchase in Fleet Shift - Bloomberg

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Delta Mulls $2.3 Billion Regional-Jet Purchase in Fleet Shift
Michael Sasso
September 27, 2016 — 7:41 AM PDT
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Airline wants option to add larger aircraft in 70-seat range
Carrier needs pilots’ union to sign off on possible revamp
Delta Air Lines Inc. is studying a purchase of roomier regional jets with a list value of as much as $2.3 billion -- provided the company can get the pilots’ union to accept an overhaul of the small-plane fleet.
The Atlanta-based carrier told the Air Line Pilots Association it wants the option of adding as many as 50 more planes in the 70- to 76-seat range, according to a union memo sent to pilots on Sept. 10. Those aircraft, which can accommodate coach and first-class cabins, are more fuel-efficient and profitable than the all-coach 50-seaters now flying many short hops.
Delta also told the union it may eliminate the smaller planes from the fleet without giving a timeline, according to the memo, which was obtained by Bloomberg News. The potential cost of buying larger regional jets is based on list prices for aircraft in the 70-seat range made by Embraer SA and Bombardier Inc., before discounts that are customary for large orders.

The pilots’ union has objected to any additional 70- or 76-seat jets being flown by Delta’s regional affiliate airlines, ALPA Chairman John Malone said. A Delta spokesman declined to comment.
Up-Gauging
U.S. airlines have been cutting their use of 50-seat jets and switching to larger planes, a practice known as “up-gauging.” In addition to lacking a first-class cabin, the 50-seat planes have been criticized by passengers as cramped. Delta had 153 of the aircraft as of July, compared with 309 three years ago, according to regulatory filings.
The 50-seat jets are flown by Delta’s regional affiliate airlines under the Delta Connection brand. Any new 76-seat aircraft would also be flown by the affiliates.
Even so, under their union contract Delta’s own pilots have a say over which aircraft can be flown by the affiliate airlines. Such rules are spelled out in contract “scope clauses.”
Pilots for major airlines generally object to the practice of outsourcing any flights to the regional carriers and prefer that they be given all flights, said Louis Smith, president of consulting firm Future & Active Pilot Advisors. A looming shortage of people qualified to fly commercially may give them more clout, he said.
“With the bargaining power of mainline pilot unions increasing, I don’t foresee any pilot group relaxing any of the rules related to scope clauses,” Smith said.
In the long term, Delta probably will bring more flying in-house and cut down on the use of regional carriers, said Michael Boyd, president of aviation consultant Boyd Group International. Pay and costs are rising among the smaller airlines, making them less attractive, he said.
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Sure. Put them on the mainline certificate.
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If the 70 seaters are so fuel efficient and cost effective, Delta can afford to pay their own pilots to fly them.
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Originally Posted by TimetoClimb
Delta Mulls $2.3 Billion Regional-Jet Purchase in Fleet Shift - Bloomberg

Photographer: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg
Delta Mulls $2.3 Billion Regional-Jet Purchase in Fleet Shift
Michael Sasso
September 27, 2016 — 7:41 AM PDT
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Airline wants option to add larger aircraft in 70-seat range
Carrier needs pilots’ union to sign off on possible revamp
Delta Air Lines Inc. is studying a purchase of roomier regional jets with a list value of as much as $2.3 billion -- provided the company can get the pilots’ union to accept an overhaul of the small-plane fleet.
The Atlanta-based carrier told the Air Line Pilots Association it wants the option of adding as many as 50 more planes in the 70- to 76-seat range, according to a union memo sent to pilots on Sept. 10. Those aircraft, which can accommodate coach and first-class cabins, are more fuel-efficient and profitable than the all-coach 50-seaters now flying many short hops.
Delta also told the union it may eliminate the smaller planes from the fleet without giving a timeline, according to the memo, which was obtained by Bloomberg News. The potential cost of buying larger regional jets is based on list prices for aircraft in the 70-seat range made by Embraer SA and Bombardier Inc., before discounts that are customary for large orders.

The pilots’ union has objected to any additional 70- or 76-seat jets being flown by Delta’s regional affiliate airlines, ALPA Chairman John Malone said. A Delta spokesman declined to comment.
Up-Gauging
U.S. airlines have been cutting their use of 50-seat jets and switching to larger planes, a practice known as “up-gauging.” In addition to lacking a first-class cabin, the 50-seat planes have been criticized by passengers as cramped. Delta had 153 of the aircraft as of July, compared with 309 three years ago, according to regulatory filings.
The 50-seat jets are flown by Delta’s regional affiliate airlines under the Delta Connection brand. Any new 76-seat aircraft would also be flown by the affiliates.
Even so, under their union contract Delta’s own pilots have a say over which aircraft can be flown by the affiliate airlines. Such rules are spelled out in contract “scope clauses.”
Pilots for major airlines generally object to the practice of outsourcing any flights to the regional carriers and prefer that they be given all flights, said Louis Smith, president of consulting firm Future & Active Pilot Advisors. A looming shortage of people qualified to fly commercially may give them more clout, he said.
“With the bargaining power of mainline pilot unions increasing, I don’t foresee any pilot group relaxing any of the rules related to scope clauses,” Smith said.
In the long term, Delta probably will bring more flying in-house and cut down on the use of regional carriers, said Michael Boyd, president of aviation consultant Boyd Group International. Pay and costs are rising among the smaller airlines, making them less attractive, he said.
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"Any new 76-seat aircraft would also be flown by the affiliates."

This should undoubtedly be denied by the union.
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Originally Posted by KCaviator
"Any new 76-seat aircraft would also be flown by the affiliates."

This should undoubtedly be denied by the union.
If it is approved, I will personally lead a push for the pilots at my company to leave ALPA. This is something that we should all be unified about.
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Old 09-27-2016, 08:14 AM
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The delta thread on it has a lot of pilots who support selling more scope.
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Originally Posted by CLT Guy
If it is approved, I will personally lead a push for the pilots at my company to leave ALPA. This is something that we should all be unified about.
You don't seem to understand that if a majority of Delta pilots approve selling scope for $ again, that is on the Delta pilots, not ALPA.

United ALPA just held the Delta PWA RJ scope line twice and the APA did also under tremendous binding arbitration duress.
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
The delta thread on it has a lot of pilots who support selling more scope.
They don't understand that the 50 seaters are going away simply due to market forces of being unable to staff them. Instead, mainline is going to snooker them into trading the 125 50 seaters for 50 large RJ's.

But once again, I'd expect mainline DL to sell anything they can for a few more bucks...
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Mainline will sell scope for more pay in a heart beat.
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
The delta thread on it has a lot of pilots who support selling more scope.
I just looked at the thread. I don't see many or any pilots wanting to sell scope. Trolling?
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