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Old 09-29-2016, 09:33 AM
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As long as they reduce the amount of flying at regionals by some metric of seats or passengers, who cares what the ratio is from 50-76 seats?
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:39 AM
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They realize that 76 seaters are truly regional jets and should be flown by regional airline pilots. They will get higher pay at Delta in exchange for the scope relaxation.
Just an observation, but I don't think CRJ 7/9s and E170/E175s should be deemed regional. These "regional" jets are flying mainline routes and fly routes that B737 and A320 aircraft once used to cover. Passengers confuse them for mainline aircraft as well. The only link that they have to regional flying is that regional airlines that once did truly "regional" flying currently operate mainline-sized aircraft.

Plus, having an RJ as the entry level aircraft at Delta will adversely impact their recruiting of Tier One candidates. They will instead go to United, American, FedEx and UPS, where they can start out on true mainline size metal and not an RJ. Don't underestimate the importance of this factor.
Yep, it will have that effect most likely. A similar phenomenon is taking place at the regionals. Many pilots want the E170 over the CRJ just because it seems cooler. Not all, but a good amount to be noticeable.
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Active Shooter
They realize that 76 seaters are truly regional jets and should be flown by regional airline pilots. They will get higher pay at Delta in exchange for the scope relaxation.

Plus, having an RJ as the entry level aircraft at Delta will adversely impact their recruiting of Tier One candidates. They will instead go to United, American, FedEx and UPS, where they can start out on true mainline size metal and not an RJ. Don't underestimate the importance of this factor.
You come off as a little arrogant. Your Tier One candidates will choose the best airline that suits their needs. The highest paid entry level plane on any major airline property isn't the deciding factor. Has it been that long since you were hired? Here is a list of considerations that the Tier One candidates will look at in deciding.
Family Health Care
Retirement funds
Career longevity
Reserve
Domiciles
Easy commute to domicile
Upgrade time
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Your top qualified candidates apply at Delta for many more reasons than I have described.
Do you honestly think they'll turn down a job based on your theory of Delta flying a 76 seater?
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:13 AM
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Just like all the scores of folks who turned down the job offer at USAirways because the 190 was their junior aircraft.
I haven't heard of JetBlue having major issues finding applicants.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Active Shooter
They realize that 76 seaters are truly regional jets and should be flown by regional airline pilots. They will get higher pay at Delta in exchange for the scope relaxation.

Plus, having an RJ as the entry level aircraft at Delta will adversely impact their recruiting of Tier One candidates. They will instead go to United, American, FedEx and UPS, where they can start out on true mainline size metal and not an RJ. Don't underestimate the importance of this factor.
Some of the arrogance in these threads is astounding. When "regional jets" are flying between major hub cities distanced 1,000 miles apart carrying far more people than any historical commuter aircraft has ever carried, they're not regional. Is an E190 a mainline aircraft while an E175 a measly regional jet because of three rows' difference? What about historical size precedents set by DC-9's, early 737's, and Fokker 100's. The CRJ-900 is longer than variations of all of those. Let's not even get started on the Avro RJ. These don't even address the obvious harm RJ-proliferation has wreaked on the industry for the last 20 years.

As for "Tier One" candidates, every legacy will always have a plethora of highly qualified, capable, desirable people to choose from. Some Ejets won't deter anybody from applying to the Big 3.

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As long as they reduce the amount of flying at regionals by some metric of seats or passengers, who cares what the ratio is from 50-76 seats?
This seems to be the most common argument (aside from the above ), but anyone with some insight to the industry knows 50-seaters aren't long for this world. Why give a concession when they're going away, anyway? Very few 200's and 145's will be flying around in 2020, so why offer up 50 more 76-seaters to get the same end result? DCI flying will decrease regardless; it will decrease less if 50 more large RJ's are allowed to offset the inevitable departure of the 50-seater.

50 more 76-seaters is 500 more pilots screwed for no good reason.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Active Shooter
Jetblue doesn't get true Tier One candidates. They get dudes from the regionals and other ULCCs. JB is not competitive to a Tier One candidate.
6k applications a year and 150-350 hires per year depending on the year. I'd say we are pretty selective. My class had 3 regional captains incl a chief pilot, and the other 5 were mil pilots with some 121 and heavy cargo experience. We have plenty of fighter pilots, heavy mil pilots, regional check airmen, and others who could get on at a legacy, but who prefer the culture and/or bases of JetBlue. I know some people who didn't get on at JB but did get on at DAL and SWA. We have some attrition to legacies, and we have some cape flow guys who wouldnt be competitive elsewhere, but they are few in numbers. Your statement is misguided, to say the least.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Active Shooter
Yes it will and it does. I was a Tier One candidate hire and my legacy and had multiple CJOs to choose from the legacies and I can tell you for a fact if a legacy had an RJ as entry level metal, I would eliminate said legacy from consideration for my services.
That's you. Please don't project your short-sighted outlook on all pilots.

Stop selling scope for $. Hold the line.
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Old 09-29-2016, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Active Shooter
Jetblue doesn't get true Tier One candidates. They get dudes from the regionals and other ULCCs. JB is not competitive to a Tier One candidate.
Ha. Regional pilots and those from LCC's can't possibly be "tier one"? Let me guess, you're former military?
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Old 09-29-2016, 11:28 AM
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Yes it will and it does. I was a Tier One candidate hire and my legacy and had multiple CJOs to choose from the legacies and I can tell you for a fact if a legacy had an RJ as entry level metal, I would eliminate said legacy from consideration for my services.
You sound like a real treat to fly a trip with.
Hopefully all the legacies take on RJs and you eliminate them all from your consideration and retire.
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Old 09-29-2016, 11:31 AM
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Active Shooter is obviously trolling you guys. He's going to take a break in the corner while he thinks about what he's done.
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