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Old 09-28-2016, 05:19 PM
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if fuel goes back up and you run a half empty 717 to bumbleweed, US 2x day that's a problem DAL may not be equipped to deal with.
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Old 09-28-2016, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Stick to flying airplanes, I think Deltas management has a better grip on the real world than you do.
You ought to take your own advice.

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Labor costs. It is that easy.
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Old 09-28-2016, 08:55 PM
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In a nutshell, yea it is.
Actually it isn't, but you are obviously not one who let's the facts stand in the way of gross rationalizations for one's decisions.
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I should have stayed in the fire dept. At least I could trust my brothers not to stab me in the back. I find the pilots here would sell their own family down the river for a bag of silver. This should be a no brainer that it is in the best interest to all if the line is held. I thought DAL hired vet pilots, and they should know better. Am I wrong?
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Old 09-28-2016, 09:45 PM
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I should have stayed in the fire dept. At least I could trust my brothers not to stab me in the back. I find the pilots here would sell their own family down the river for a bag of silver. This should be a no brainer that it is in the best interest to all if the line is held. I thought DAL hired vet pilots, and they should know better. Am I wrong?
There are a lot of mil pilots there who went from a good mil job to a good airline job and never had to slug it out in the regionals. They don't know how bad it is, nor do they understand how bad the last 15 years have been for regional pilots because of scope sales. Many of them also don't understand management's games, and don't realize that the 50 seaters are going away anyway.
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Old 09-29-2016, 01:10 AM
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1. Wrong. I fly RJs now and wouldn't mind doing the same thing I am today for a bigger paycheck and a seniority number at mainline. I am willing to bet that there are MANY that would do it as well.

2. I don't have the financial figures and frankly I'm shocked you do. But I would be surprised if they couldn't make it work financially.
If by "not making financial sense" you mean it will cost more than it currently does, well yes I think that is obvious.

Second 2. Also wrong. "No pilot" I think is insulting to the ones that do stand up for us and turn down the cash for scope. I applaud each one of them for doing what they know is the right thing.
If you don't think pilots will pull the ladder from underneath them, you obviously haven't been in this profession very long.

You should get in the cockpit of a RJ with someone that's had Boeing or Airbus experience, it's a miserable time. Trust me, mainline guys do not want to fly RJs.
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Old 09-29-2016, 02:40 AM
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If you don't think pilots will pull the ladder from underneath them, you obviously haven't been in this profession very long.

You should get in the cockpit of a RJ with someone that's had Boeing or Airbus experience, it's a miserable time. Trust me, mainline guys do not want to fly RJs.
First off I never said they "wouldn't pull the ladder". All I said is that it's not every mainline pilot like was mentioned earlier. Even if scope is voted and sold it won't be a 100% vote. Just like there are a lot mil guys who don't know the struggles we have had to deal with in the regionals, there are also a lot of guys who were previous regional pilots who will not sell scope.
Also I don't understand where you're getting the assumption that mainline guys who are already on equipment there would choose to jump over to the RJ? Would the RJ not likely be flown by pilots who are at this moment flying them at the regionals..only now they would be doing so with reasonable compensation, benefits, and career stability?

*I'm not implying that this would even happen (RJs on the majors certs). Just hypothetical.
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Old 09-29-2016, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
You obviously are one that gets his/her information spoon fed to them from a union
Project much?

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Labor costs. It is that easy.
What airline labor group is the highest cost? Guess what organization is responsible for that being the case?

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I think Deltas management has a better grip on the real world
Guess what Delta management wants to do with 'costs'? Unions! But maybe you don't need a union because your avatar claims, "All you need is love."

Actually, folks like you are "that easy" for management to manipulate.

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Old 09-29-2016, 08:13 AM
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First off I never said they "wouldn't pull the ladder". All I said is that it's not every mainline pilot like was mentioned earlier. Even if scope is voted and sold it won't be a 100% vote. Just like there are a lot mil guys who don't know the struggles we have had to deal with in the regionals, there are also a lot of guys who were previous regional pilots who will not sell scope.
Also I don't understand where you're getting the assumption that mainline guys who are already on equipment there would choose to jump over to the RJ? Would the RJ not likely be flown by pilots who are at this moment flying them at the regionals..only now they would be doing so with reasonable compensation, benefits, and career stability?

*I'm not implying that this would even happen (RJs on the majors certs). Just hypothetical.

The majority of DL mainline pilots would not have to fly a RJ. It would go super junior.
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:31 AM
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Just like all the scores of folks who turned down the job offer at USAirways because the 190 was their junior aircraft.
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