What regional will no longer exists in 3 yrs?
08-12-2016, 01:46 PM
#71
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One airline will always come in and undercut the others, drastically reducing any sort of meaningful gains you were about to secure from your mainline partner, and the whipsaw will continue.
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08-12-2016, 02:13 PM
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I swear Airline pilots must be some of the most dense people there are. I don't get how you can be so blind as to what is happening now. Quit living in the past people.
Gojo, I think you and removeb4flight are actually in agreement.
Greatbigsea on the other hand... why does Republic have two brand new amended contracts with United and Delta that pays them higher if everyone is underbidding each other? What airlines are underbidding to get additional flying? None, and as Republic shows those that did in the past are now getting contracts equal or better than the previous "expensive" ones they beat out.
Gojo, I think you and removeb4flight are actually in agreement.
Greatbigsea on the other hand... why does Republic have two brand new amended contracts with United and Delta that pays them higher if everyone is underbidding each other? What airlines are underbidding to get additional flying? None, and as Republic shows those that did in the past are now getting contracts equal or better than the previous "expensive" ones they beat out.
08-12-2016, 04:08 PM
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Greatbigsea on the other hand... why does Republic have two brand new amended contracts with United and Delta that pays them higher if everyone is underbidding each other? What airlines are underbidding to get additional flying? None, and as Republic shows those that did in the past are now getting contracts equal or better than the previous "expensive" ones they beat out.
Sure, these amended contracts and LOAs everyone seems to be getting are welcome steps in the right direction, but imagine what we could be getting had all that undercutting not taken place a few years ago. We basically all gave up a yard to gain an inch, instead of taking two great leaps forward.
08-12-2016, 04:27 PM
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So shortsighted. A few years ago concessionary contracts were being voted in left and right. Some voluntarily, some involuntarily.
Sure, these amended contracts and LOAs everyone seems to be getting are welcome steps in the right direction, but imagine what we could be getting had all that undercutting not taken place a few years ago. We basically all gave up a yard to gain an inch, instead of taking two great leaps forward.
Sure, these amended contracts and LOAs everyone seems to be getting are welcome steps in the right direction, but imagine what we could be getting had all that undercutting not taken place a few years ago. We basically all gave up a yard to gain an inch, instead of taking two great leaps forward.
08-12-2016, 04:45 PM
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You're just as guilty as any pilot voting in a consessionary contract simply by your willingness to go to work at a regional. Every regional pilot is guilty. But here's a news flash, we are all paid what the market dictates. Trying to force something works as well as the government trying to force changes on a market.
08-12-2016, 04:46 PM
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You're just as guilty as any pilot voting in a consessionary contract simply by your willingness to go to work at a regional. Every regional pilot is guilty. But here's a news flash, we are all paid what the market dictates. Trying to force something works as well as the government trying to force changes on a market.
08-12-2016, 05:47 PM
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The contract segment will never be united on Airline Service Agreements with their mainline partners. Cheaper will always win with the bean counters because all they look at is the numbers on paper. And until they can see the cheaper contract carrier is costing them money, on paper, they won't make a change. And even then they may have to wait until the ASA term runs its course to make a change.
08-12-2016, 07:35 PM
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Also the majors are not always buying service on price. If XYZ regional can't provide reasonable service (on time departures, not cancelling flights due to maintenance and staffing, etc), it doesn't matter how inexpensive they are.
08-12-2016, 09:00 PM
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Not when there is a labor shortage they may not be able to; there is a glass floor to cost.
Also the majors are not always buying service on price. If XYZ regional can't provide reasonable service (on time departures, not cancelling flights due to maintenance and staffing, etc), it doesn't matter how inexpensive they are.
Also the majors are not always buying service on price. If XYZ regional can't provide reasonable service (on time departures, not cancelling flights due to maintenance and staffing, etc), it doesn't matter how inexpensive they are.
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