What regional will no longer exists in 3 yrs?
08-14-2016, 04:50 AM
#91
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Anyone discussing how change will not be possible because of how things have happened in the past are doing just that..living in the past. Times have changed. The situation with the shortage at the regionals has never been seen before.
Anyone who says regional pilots will not be able to stand together to increase wages in this time where the pendulum swings in their favor loses all credibility.
Some have mentioned supply and demand. Supply of pilots is dwindling and demand is ever increasing. Time to capitalize.
Anyone who says regional pilots will not be able to stand together to increase wages in this time where the pendulum swings in their favor loses all credibility.
Some have mentioned supply and demand. Supply of pilots is dwindling and demand is ever increasing. Time to capitalize.
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" - GS
When regionals were standing together in 2013 by voting down concessionary contracts left and right, one group decided the the possibility of more jets was more important than advancing the industry.
They voluntarily voted in a concessionary contract which severely undercut the rest of the industry. The best part? Even though the contract was terrible, pilots left for that airline in droves for the chance of a quick upgrade.
Before that, one company started a new airline from scratch just to pay pilots 50 seat rates to fly 76 seat jets, and they filled classes without any issue.
So, while I do hope we can take advantage of the shortage as best we can, all it takes is one pilot group to set everyone else back.
08-14-2016, 05:28 AM
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"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" - GS
When regionals were standing together in 2013 by voting down concessionary contracts left and right, one group decided the the possibility of more jets was more important than advancing the industry.
They voluntarily voted in a concessionary contract which severely undercut the rest of the industry. The best part? Even though the contract was terrible, pilots left for that airline in droves for the chance of a quick upgrade.
Before that, one company started a new airline from scratch just to pay pilots 50 seat rates to fly 76 seat jets, and they filled classes without any issue.
So, while I do hope we can take advantage of the shortage as best we can, all it takes is one pilot group to set everyone else back.
When regionals were standing together in 2013 by voting down concessionary contracts left and right, one group decided the the possibility of more jets was more important than advancing the industry.
They voluntarily voted in a concessionary contract which severely undercut the rest of the industry. The best part? Even though the contract was terrible, pilots left for that airline in droves for the chance of a quick upgrade.
Before that, one company started a new airline from scratch just to pay pilots 50 seat rates to fly 76 seat jets, and they filled classes without any issue.
So, while I do hope we can take advantage of the shortage as best we can, all it takes is one pilot group to set everyone else back.
08-14-2016, 05:40 AM
#93
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That's a little disingenuous. I'll save the thread derail because the topic has been covered as naseum. However, voting to save one's jobs and accepting a contract that was concessionary in some ways and saw gains in others isn't something that should be held against a pilot group. Especially when it has been shown to have no bearing on industry whatsoever. Plenty of airlines have made gains since then. Including the airline in question.
08-14-2016, 08:57 AM
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You troll the Internet. That's what you do. You won't say who you work for because you're a douche Internet commando. Hence my quoted statement, which BTW does not necessarily preclude you from being a pilot.
08-14-2016, 06:44 PM
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No bearing on the industry at all? Think of how much more regionals could of gained had those concessionary contracts been signed. I don't fault those who voted them in under bankruptcy, however I DO fault the group who voted yes to concessions when the only real threat was not gaining new aircraft. They didn't even put up a fight.
08-14-2016, 11:40 PM
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I am having doubts that you even know what you're talking about with a reply like that... Didn't put up a fight? They voted no twice and twice the airplanes went elsewhere. The third time they were told if they didn't play ball they would be shut down (and look what happened when Envoy called Parker's "bluff"). They voted to save their jobs and for ultimately was a great decision for them. Half the pilots at PSA are refugees from ComAir and other regionals with zero prospects and little hope for the future. Who are you to criticize their careers and their decisions? I'd say there are many at PSA who have sacrificed more than you ever will for this industry.
They took concessions that set back the rest of the regionals, end of the story.
08-15-2016, 03:56 AM
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I am having doubts that you even know what you're talking about with a reply like that... Didn't put up a fight? They voted no twice and twice the airplanes went elsewhere. The third time they were told if they didn't play ball they would be shut down (and look what happened when Envoy called Parker's "bluff"). They voted to save their jobs and for ultimately was a great decision for them. Half the pilots at PSA are refugees from ComAir and other regionals with zero prospects and little hope for the future. Who are you to criticize their careers and their decisions? I'd say there are many at PSA who have sacrificed more than you ever will for this industry.
Most of those refugees jumped ship to PSA AFTER the contract was passed.
Look, my whole original point in the post is that no matter how much power people believe we have during this pilot shortage, there will always be some one who will be eager undercut the rest for there own benefit. PSA is a shining example of this whether you agree or not.
(Just in case it wasn't clear in previous posts, i have no issues with Eagle)
08-15-2016, 04:09 AM
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08-15-2016, 08:58 AM
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I would also love to hear how little ole PSA's concessionary contract set back the "entire industry"? You do realize that Horizon recently did what PSA did a few years back and no one is jumping all over their case right? And Horizon's contract isn't hurting the industry... You have no proof.
08-15-2016, 09:04 AM
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How is PSA's contract "concessionary"? It provides for the best quality of life in the regional industry.
If the company actually follows the contract (which is in arbitration now), PSA pilots are the highest paid pilots in the regionals with the greatest amount of schedule flexibility and the best quality of life.
Period.
The contract is good. The company just doesn't follow the contract.
If the company actually follows the contract (which is in arbitration now), PSA pilots are the highest paid pilots in the regionals with the greatest amount of schedule flexibility and the best quality of life.
Period.
The contract is good. The company just doesn't follow the contract.
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