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10-17-2016, 07:36 AM
#141
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You guys have language in your agreement saying flows can be withheld for "operational necessity". Language which you've exercised this year for multiple months. Would you like to share with us flow numbers for each month this year? I'll start, ours is easy.. PDT January-October/ Three
10-17-2016, 07:40 AM
#142
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You guys have language in your agreement saying flows can be withheld for "operational necessity". Language which you've exercised this year for multiple months. Would you like to share with us flow numbers for each month this year? I'll start, ours is easy.. PDT January-October/ Three
I would hardly call that "throttling". You make it sound like it can be turned on and off at will. It can not.
10-17-2016, 07:41 AM
#143
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What is the "required" number. Lets not forget how many pilots PSA has.
10-17-2016, 07:46 AM
#144
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The regionals should not even exist in 5 years. AAG alone is hiring twice the number of pilots in the next 7 years than PDT/PSA/Envoy have on property combined.
We lost 28 from our seniority list to attrition in September, and October will be about the same. We had 7 get hired by Delta in two weeks.
There is movement everywhere. The differences in flow are negligible at best.
10-17-2016, 07:53 AM
#145
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Exactly but no one should bank on that. Everyone needs an insurance policy and a good flow agreement with solid numbers is key to that.
10-17-2016, 08:00 AM
#146
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At the next economic downturn, the 145's will be parked in the desert, and the pilots on the street. I wouldn't call anything at a company that only has 50-seaters to be an "insurance policy".
The days of the 50 seaters are over. There are too many 70 seat regional airplanes available now. The gas prices are currently low, so they are using the ones that are left as long as they still have some life in them. Fuel prices will rise to $100/barrel and they will be gone.
The days of the 50 seaters are over. There are too many 70 seat regional airplanes available now. The gas prices are currently low, so they are using the ones that are left as long as they still have some life in them. Fuel prices will rise to $100/barrel and they will be gone.
10-17-2016, 10:41 AM
#147
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At the next economic downturn, the 145's will be parked in the desert, and the pilots on the street. I wouldn't call anything at a company that only has 50-seaters to be an "insurance policy".
The days of the 50 seaters are over. There are too many 70 seat regional airplanes available now. The gas prices are currently low, so they are using the ones that are left as long as they still have some life in them. Fuel prices will rise to $100/barrel and they will be gone.
The days of the 50 seaters are over. There are too many 70 seat regional airplanes available now. The gas prices are currently low, so they are using the ones that are left as long as they still have some life in them. Fuel prices will rise to $100/barrel and they will be gone.
Look, you can go out and compare contracts all you want. It's good for everyone to know what other pilots are getting. It's also good for prospective pilots to know what life at each regional is like, so they can make an educated decision. But let's keep it, at a minimum, a sane conversation.
10-17-2016, 01:22 PM
#148
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Making predictions in the aviation industry is akin to playing the stock market.
Within the last year, I have been going through our office and reading/disposing of 20 and 30 year old aviation magazines. It's always interesting to see the latest greatest thing that is on the cusp of going big and realizing it never happened. It's fine to speculate but discovery of a new oil field or a catastrophe in an old one can change the entire playing field. Aviation is a volatile business. Airlines that can't get pilots in the door fast enough right now may be sending those same pilots out the door two years from now. Or not. All we know is that right now is a great time to be a regional pilot if you're comparing with past history.
Within the last year, I have been going through our office and reading/disposing of 20 and 30 year old aviation magazines. It's always interesting to see the latest greatest thing that is on the cusp of going big and realizing it never happened. It's fine to speculate but discovery of a new oil field or a catastrophe in an old one can change the entire playing field. Aviation is a volatile business. Airlines that can't get pilots in the door fast enough right now may be sending those same pilots out the door two years from now. Or not. All we know is that right now is a great time to be a regional pilot if you're comparing with past history.
10-17-2016, 03:40 PM
#149
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You keep jumping around the forums and either alluding to or outright saying piedmont is going to go out of business.
Look, you can go out and compare contracts all you want. It's good for everyone to know what other pilots are getting. It's also good for prospective pilots to know what life at each regional is like, so they can make an educated decision. But let's keep it, at a minimum, a sane conversation.
Look, you can go out and compare contracts all you want. It's good for everyone to know what other pilots are getting. It's also good for prospective pilots to know what life at each regional is like, so they can make an educated decision. But let's keep it, at a minimum, a sane conversation.
American has some tough choices to make in this next year and how they want to align there current business plan and fleet. They are very cautious with fleet growth and capacity control, but sooner or later with the struggles of last summer and this summer coming up, they are going to have to staff 100 seat aircraft to cover the regional lift. Therefore the e190e2 Mrj or c-series will have to purchased unless Boeing undercuts some more of their baby 737 like United grabbed up.
Personally I'm in good shape at PDT... I'm looking at flowing late 2018-2019... That's not bad and I'll be under 40 with my retirement job funding 25 years of 401k and ira. Unless I get United or delta prior.
Will there be an economic disaster? Sure.. Will PDT go out of business, unlikely in the near future, but I have a second job and I'm a hair away from earning my mba. Be prepared, be productive on your overnights..l. It is wasted time unless you use it.
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