Part 121 & CFIing
02-13-2007, 09:12 AM
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Part 121 & CFIing
I'm sure this has been asked a million times, so I apologize up front
Does it break the "no external commercial flying" rule if you do BFRs/IPCs etc (as long as the student's currency hasn't lapsed), since the other guy is qualified as PIC? Don't the FARs say that you aren't providing a "pilot service" by instructing in these situations since you don't even need a 3rd class to do it?
Thanks guys. Looking for ways to make a little extra on the side
Does it break the "no external commercial flying" rule if you do BFRs/IPCs etc (as long as the student's currency hasn't lapsed), since the other guy is qualified as PIC? Don't the FARs say that you aren't providing a "pilot service" by instructing in these situations since you don't even need a 3rd class to do it?
Thanks guys. Looking for ways to make a little extra on the side
02-13-2007, 09:17 AM
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Different companies view this, um, differently. The one I work for specifically states no outside flying including instructing.
Also, you can't be a CFI without a commercial certificate, therefore you are utilizing commercial privileges doing so. Easy enough to follow that logic?
Also, you can't be a CFI without a commercial certificate, therefore you are utilizing commercial privileges doing so. Easy enough to follow that logic?
02-13-2007, 09:22 AM
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Printed on the back of my CFI certificate, under section XIII: Limitations:
"Valid only when accompanied by pilot certificate No. ########. Expires: [date]"
The number that follows is my commercial certificate number.
My question to you, if you are only utilizing your CFI license, why are you required to carry and have your commercial license?
"Valid only when accompanied by pilot certificate No. ########. Expires: [date]"
The number that follows is my commercial certificate number.
My question to you, if you are only utilizing your CFI license, why are you required to carry and have your commercial license?
02-13-2007, 09:24 AM
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Printed on the back of my CFI certificate, under section XIII: Limitations:
"Valid only when accompanied by pilot certificate No. ########. Expires: [date]"
The number that follows is my commercial certificate number.
My question to you, if you are only utilizing your CFI license, why are you required to carry and have your commercial license?
"Valid only when accompanied by pilot certificate No. ########. Expires: [date]"
The number that follows is my commercial certificate number.
My question to you, if you are only utilizing your CFI license, why are you required to carry and have your commercial license?
02-13-2007, 09:27 AM
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I'm sure this has been asked a million times, so I apologize up front
Does it break the "no external commercial flying" rule if you do BFRs/IPCs etc (as long as the student's currency hasn't lapsed), since the other guy is qualified as PIC? Don't the FARs say that you aren't providing a "pilot service" by instructing in these situations since you don't even need a 3rd class to do it?
Thanks guys. Looking for ways to make a little extra on the side
Does it break the "no external commercial flying" rule if you do BFRs/IPCs etc (as long as the student's currency hasn't lapsed), since the other guy is qualified as PIC? Don't the FARs say that you aren't providing a "pilot service" by instructing in these situations since you don't even need a 3rd class to do it?
Thanks guys. Looking for ways to make a little extra on the side
I've known several guys that were CFI's while flying for Pinnacle. But I guess the company could lop their own rule ontop of FARs.
02-13-2007, 09:28 AM
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02-13-2007, 09:31 AM
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If you get paid, it is commercial flying, and counts against 121 daily/weekly/monthly/annual flight time limits and probably against daily duty time limits.
I take the view that instruction provided to my friends/family for no charge is not really commercial flying any more than a $100 hamburger is, but I have heard different opinions on this. I doubt the FAA would have the slightest interest if you were not getting compensated....however if you were obviously providing free instruction to the general public to build PIC time that might be a problem (the flight time might count as compensation). For me it would be pretty hard to seriously make a case that I need any more ASEL PIC...
I take the view that instruction provided to my friends/family for no charge is not really commercial flying any more than a $100 hamburger is, but I have heard different opinions on this. I doubt the FAA would have the slightest interest if you were not getting compensated....however if you were obviously providing free instruction to the general public to build PIC time that might be a problem (the flight time might count as compensation). For me it would be pretty hard to seriously make a case that I need any more ASEL PIC...
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