Regional flow through not requiring 4 degree?
07-01-2016, 07:05 AM
#22
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Having a 4 year degree has absolutely nothing to do with being, "professionals in a profession". Some of the best pilots I've flown with had no degree. While many of the new FOs fresh out of college have some of the least professional attitudes I've ever seen or worked around.
07-01-2016, 07:23 AM
#23
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The best part about getting a degree is it motivates you to get hired by a major, otherwise that $200K loan at double digit interest rates will keep you living with your parents for life.
Go to college, but do not pay more than $20k. You can do this with a mix of community college, and cheaper public universities. Now a days, even technical degrees are very easy to get, so the market is flooded with them. I suggest a degree in robotics.
Go to college, but do not pay more than $20k. You can do this with a mix of community college, and cheaper public universities. Now a days, even technical degrees are very easy to get, so the market is flooded with them. I suggest a degree in robotics.
07-01-2016, 07:38 AM
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The best part about getting a degree is it motivates you to get hired by a major, otherwise that $200K loan at double digit interest rates will keep you living with your parents for life.
Go to college, but do not pay more than $20k. You can do this with a mix of community college, and cheaper public universities. Now a days, even technical degrees are very easy to get, so the market is flooded with them. I suggest a degree in robotics.
Go to college, but do not pay more than $20k. You can do this with a mix of community college, and cheaper public universities. Now a days, even technical degrees are very easy to get, so the market is flooded with them. I suggest a degree in robotics.
07-01-2016, 07:51 AM
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Having a 4 year degree has absolutely nothing to do with being, "professionals in a profession". Some of the best pilots I've flown with had no degree. While many of the new FOs fresh out of college have some of the least professional attitudes I've ever seen or worked around.
I hear a lot of pilots argue that the degree should be unnecessary and we should just be allowed to school in specifics (like a trade school) yet still want to be treated, classified, and paid as professionals. So that's my theory on the degree requirement.
07-01-2016, 08:20 AM
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Professions (or professional careers) typically, by definition, require a college degree (engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc.) in addition to any job-related extra education. Is a 4 year degree necessary to operate as a part 121 pilot at a major airline? Of course not, but it does typically lead to a more well rounded employee through coursework and life experiences. Like the airline pilot profession, one could probably also argue that there are a number of other professional careers where college would be unnecessary, and that just some specific schooling in job-related duties would suffice to perform the job. The problem with this is that now you essentially are learning a trade skill (which is fine), but it begins to fall out of scope with the definition of a professional career and more in line with a trade job.
I hear a lot of pilots argue that the degree should be unnecessary and we should just be allowed to school in specifics (like a trade school) yet still want to be treated, classified, and paid as professionals. So that's my theory on the degree requirement.
I hear a lot of pilots argue that the degree should be unnecessary and we should just be allowed to school in specifics (like a trade school) yet still want to be treated, classified, and paid as professionals. So that's my theory on the degree requirement.
If you think the pilot shortage is going to make companies spend more for pilots, without a long term solution think again. Automaton and AI will take over. Look at Amazon and their business model. They are running gigantic distributing center on a handful of employees. That same distributing center 10 years ago took 100s if not a 1000 to do the same work.
07-01-2016, 08:28 AM
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Bingo.. college keeps us from just being paid like a bus driver.. this hiring frenzy will soon end those with degrees will be in positron for a job in the cockpit or with a firm doing automation or artificial intelligence. Single pilot and no pilot cockpits are coming. Flying is great but in our careers v1 rotate and pulling back on a yoke with your human hands is just not going to happen in 2 generation planes from now. Get your experience, get a good degree [not aviation] and apply your experience with a career at Boeing, Lockheed, FAA contractor etc.. always be looking 3 moves down the road..
If you think the pilot shortage is going to make companies spend more for pilots, without a long term solution think again. Automaton and AI will take over. Look at Amazon and their business model. They are running gigantic distributing center on a handful of employees. That same distributing center 10 years ago took 100s if not a 1000 to do the same work.
If you think the pilot shortage is going to make companies spend more for pilots, without a long term solution think again. Automaton and AI will take over. Look at Amazon and their business model. They are running gigantic distributing center on a handful of employees. That same distributing center 10 years ago took 100s if not a 1000 to do the same work.
07-01-2016, 10:36 AM
#29
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Doubt it. The longer I'm in this career the more incompetence I see. Can't pull it off in 10. They're coming but not that soon. I have 25 years left. Famous last words but... I'm not worried.
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