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Old 06-20-2016, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Yea I don't know about that. Sounds a little dramatic. If it's so bad it isn't too late for your friend to jump ship and head on over to Mesa.
Well, when you head to PSA for a quick upgrade and then the upgrade train slams to a halt it's not hard to see why one would be upset to compare PSA to MESA. But yes PSA isn't anything like MESA.
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Old 06-20-2016, 07:48 AM
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Parker doesn't dictate working environments at the WO's, the individual regional managements do. From what I've read, Envoy seems to stand apart as the airline with the most disregard for the interests of its pilots. The lack of new-hires looks to be more a function of the lack of candy (shiny new mini-Airbuses) at the three that the kids today crave.

That and the fact there really aren't many pilots available to begin with.
IMHO, the working environments at the regionals has far less to do with management and a lot more to do with if you commute or not.

Next on the list of what affects your QOL is whether or not you're on reserve or hold a line.

You'll be happier as a lineholder living in base for a cr@ppy regional than you would commuting to reserve at the best regional there is.
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Old 06-20-2016, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
IMHO, the working environments at the regionals has far less to do with management and a lot more to do with if you commute or not.

Next on the list of what affects your QOL is whether or not you're on reserve or hold a line.

You'll be happier as a lineholder living in base for a cr@ppy regional than you would commuting to reserve at the best regional there is.
While I don't dispute your last point, it would appear that many are complaining at Envoy about uncommutable schedules and not commuting per se. There are multiple other issues described there that aren't a part of what should be a mutually respectful, healthy relationship at Envoy and this comes from many who live it day to day.

What other conclusion could one of rational mind come to ?
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Old 06-20-2016, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by scottm
Stock prices are a bit like yoga pants. If your fundamentals aren't good, this is where they will be revealed.
Awesome. I'm stealing this.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
The article says as much as well. AAG isn't growing in the right sector. UAL/DL are moving in the right direction by removing most 50 seat lift and replacing it with mainline lift.
Yup just wait until fuel prices go up.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:47 AM
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If the mainline "fleet" isn't growing..... the "fleet" isn't growing.
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
IMHO, the working environments at the regionals has far less to do with management and a lot more to do with if you commute or not.

Next on the list of what affects your QOL is whether or not you're on reserve or hold a line.

You'll be happier as a lineholder living in base for a cr@ppy regional than you would commuting to reserve at the best regional there is.
This, this, this, and this.
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Old 06-20-2016, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by iPilot6
If the mainline "fleet" isn't growing..... the "fleet" isn't growing.
That and that.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Parker doesn't dictate working environments at the WO's, the individual regional managements do. From what I've read, Envoy seems to stand apart as the airline with the most disregard for the interests of its pilots. The lack of new-hires looks to be more a function of the lack of candy (shiny new mini-Airbuses) at the three that the kids today crave.

That and the fact there really aren't many pilots available to begin with.
Sh*t rolls down hill. I'm just saying.
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Old 06-20-2016, 01:25 PM
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Sh*t rolls down hill. I'm just saying.
True, but at some point the bottom of the hill is so encased in ****, there is no "downhill" anymore to roll to.
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