Eagle divert
06-15-2016, 06:47 AM
#11
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This is why we have the responsibility and the training attached to our job title. This is why we get paid the "big bucks". You safely land an aircraft out of a situation you never hope to find yourself in, whether it be a catastrophic engine failure with damage to other systems or a fuel emergency due to weather not being as forecast.
Great pilots learn from situations like this, and they hope they can do as well and as safely as the pilots involved.
06-15-2016, 06:51 AM
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There were no storms predicted at all? Hmm. I am looking at it on FlightAware right now. There were in fact TAF's predicting the storms earlier that day.
Im just saying that if you do not have the gas to get in and out, and then to a GOOD alternate, then don't try.
There are thousands of professional pilots that fly 20,000+ hour careers and have never gotten close to this situation.
Im just saying that if you do not have the gas to get in and out, and then to a GOOD alternate, then don't try.
There are thousands of professional pilots that fly 20,000+ hour careers and have never gotten close to this situation.
that is all.
06-15-2016, 07:01 AM
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Great job to the crew. So what is off 121 approved. Better than making the news for crash. Go back to training and remember the words "fly the airplane." That does not mean "fly the airplane only to 121 fields". People safe, fueled and on they go.
06-15-2016, 07:06 AM
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This is why we have the responsibility and the training attached to our job title. This is why we get paid the "big bucks". You safely land an aircraft out of a situation you never hope to find yourself in, whether it be a catastrophic engine failure with damage to other systems or a fuel emergency due to weather not being as forecast.
Great pilots learn from situations like this, and they hope they can do as well and as safely as the pilots involved.
Great pilots learn from situations like this, and they hope they can do as well and as safely as the pilots involved.
Ask yourself this question... If this was Mesa, or GoJet, or PSA that did this, would the Eagle guys be defending it as an unforeseen emergency?
I am glad that they landed it safely, but a good and safe pilot would have never been in that situation in the first place. As soon as it started looking like it might be bad, a good pilot would have gotten out of that situation and landed somewhere safe.
06-15-2016, 07:29 AM
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Not reading and understanding the weather forecast is not an "emergency". It is negligence. Go back and read the TAF that was published earlier in the day before the flight took off. Look at the prog charts. It was all there. All the info that you needed.
Ask yourself this question... If this was Mesa, or GoJet, or PSA that did this, would the Eagle guys be defending it as an unforeseen emergency?
I am glad that they landed it safely, but a good and safe pilot would have never been in that situation in the first place. As soon as it started looking like it might be bad, a good pilot would have gotten out of that situation and landed somewhere safe.
Ask yourself this question... If this was Mesa, or GoJet, or PSA that did this, would the Eagle guys be defending it as an unforeseen emergency?
I am glad that they landed it safely, but a good and safe pilot would have never been in that situation in the first place. As soon as it started looking like it might be bad, a good pilot would have gotten out of that situation and landed somewhere safe.
06-15-2016, 07:31 AM
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Not reading and understanding the weather forecast is not an "emergency". It is negligence. Go back and read the TAF that was published earlier in the day before the flight took off. Look at the prog charts. It was all there. All the info that you needed.
Ask yourself this question... If this was Mesa, or GoJet, or PSA that did this, would the Eagle guys be defending it as an unforeseen emergency?
I am glad that they landed it safely, but a good and safe pilot would have never been in that situation in the first place. As soon as it started looking like it might be bad, a good pilot would have gotten out of that situation and landed somewhere safe.
Ask yourself this question... If this was Mesa, or GoJet, or PSA that did this, would the Eagle guys be defending it as an unforeseen emergency?
I am glad that they landed it safely, but a good and safe pilot would have never been in that situation in the first place. As soon as it started looking like it might be bad, a good pilot would have gotten out of that situation and landed somewhere safe.
06-15-2016, 07:32 AM
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No people died, and no metal was bent.
06-15-2016, 07:56 AM
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You're doubling down on your half-cocked opinion without having all of the information. You weren't there, you don't know what was happening at the time. TAFs and real time weather are two different animals altogether. Why don't you chill out and realize that maybe there is more to the story than the conclusion you are jumping to?
06-15-2016, 08:10 AM
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You know how hindsight works. This is probably going to be a great TMAT story if they interview at a major later. I gaurentee you if you talked to the crew about it, and they were honest they'd tell you what they could've done better or should've done different. This whole event should be a reminder to all pilots to always have a back door and don't box yourself in with weather forecasted or not
06-15-2016, 08:40 AM
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All the TAF called for was VCSH and they didn't have an alternate or legally require one. The captain saw it and had an alternate added. So, yeah, they kind of were looking at the TAF.
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