Eagle divert
06-17-2016, 08:11 AM
#111
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I'll certainly admit that I don't think I would have thought to ask dispatch for an alternate just for VCTS. I've seen that a few times, and it ended up being okay. What's been the learning part has been that I check the radar, check the TAF, and all is clear. Then an hour later, there's huge popups along our route and we've been dispatched without any contingency fuel. Great! I think I will be checking the prog charts more often now, but on a 5 leg day with quick turns, it's hard to have. Then I get blamed for leaving two minutes late when I asked for just a little more fuel. (not that I care)
All great points. Keep in mind, the TAF prior to departure wasn't even calling for VCTS until after 2000z (1500L, nearly 3.5 hours after ETA) with a 30% probability of 3SM -TSRA @ 2100Z.
KXNA 121120Z 1212/1312 00000KT P6SM SKC
FM121600 18006KT P6SM SCT040
FM122000 18003KT P6SM VCTS BKN040CB BKN250 PROB30 1221/1303 3SM -TSRA BR
BKN030CB
FM130300 00000KT P6SM BKN250
Obviously the CA/FO saw something other than the TAF to force dispatch to include an alternate. Some new CA's might have not even considered it based on the above TAF.
I am more of a data guy and in no way will Monday morning QB (Pro or Con) the decision(s) of the crew as I was not there and do not have all the facts.
But as someone said upthread, bottom line, everyone got on the ground safe.
Be careful out there folks. It's T-Storm season! They pop up fast.
Last edited by CaptPappy; 06-17-2016 at 08:48 AM. Reason: words
06-18-2016, 05:43 PM
#113
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As a fairly new captain, this storm season has a been a learning a experience. I'll certainly admit that I don't think I would have thought to ask dispatch for an alternate just for VCTS. I've seen that a few times, and it ended up being okay. What's been the learning part has been that I check the radar, check the TAF, and all is clear. Then an hour later, there's huge popups along our route and we've been dispatched without any contingency fuel. Great! I think I will be checking the prog charts more often now, but on a 5 leg day with quick turns, it's hard to have. Then I get blamed for leaving two minutes late when I asked for just a little more fuel. (not that I care)
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06-19-2016, 09:23 AM
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06-19-2016, 10:11 AM
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06-19-2016, 04:10 PM
#118
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There's some serious macho and invulnerability going on here. People need to take a step back, learn from this, and realize it could happen to them.
None of you are such BAMF that you can escape a twist of fate. Count yourselves lucky, and I feel very disappointed that people can't see this situation over their ego and their need to be "right".
None of you are such BAMF that you can escape a twist of fate. Count yourselves lucky, and I feel very disappointed that people can't see this situation over their ego and their need to be "right".
06-19-2016, 11:06 PM
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There's some serious macho and invulnerability going on here. People need to take a step back, learn from this, and realize it could happen to them.
None of you are such BAMF that you can escape a twist of fate. Count yourselves lucky, and I feel very disappointed that people can't see this situation over their ego and their need to be "right".
None of you are such BAMF that you can escape a twist of fate. Count yourselves lucky, and I feel very disappointed that people can't see this situation over their ego and their need to be "right".
For the new CA's..
Any "Old man" that tells you that you are not a "great pilot" based on your inexperience... is just another old man that needs to retire.
Any "Old Man" willing to teach, cherish that....
Fly Safe! Fly Long!
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