How many new hires at your regional?
05-15-2016, 08:09 AM
#191
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Mil pilots still make up the minority of hires. They do get hired with far fewer hours so all things aren't equal. The boards don't set the hiring standard, the company, insurance, etc. do. Keep making a mountain out of a mole hill because you're not getting a call or it took longer than you think it should have. Might be more than the lack of mil time.
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05-15-2016, 08:23 AM
#192
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Not 100% accurate. They lost 8 between two classes recently. Though to be fair, two quit before FTDs.
Only 1 or 2 per class have been flunking out. I'm sure 9E isn't any harder than any other airline, the checkride is the easiest i have ever taken in my career with the AQP. The training is long and tedious but they hold your hand. They gave one guy an extra 8 sims before canning him. They want pilots to finish.
05-15-2016, 10:32 AM
#193
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Ok, so against my better judgement, I'm going to post anyway...
Legacies don't hire mil guys because they are better at flying into the same airports or because they will have a better shot at completing new hire training or because they work better in a crew or because they are a better stick or because of a mission mindset... Some or all of that may be completely false based on the individual.
The reason they hire mil pilots is because they are the best trained. That's a FACT. No civilian only pilot has gone through a training program or mission set that compares to that training.
Most mil pilots spend every other flight practicing for the worst case scenario. That's something we don't do in 121 land. So the legacies are laying money on the fact that when the poop hits the fan, a mil guy will stay calm and put it in the Hudson and not into the closest skyscraper because he is scope locked on the problem because he/she hasn't ever had anything major go wrong before.
I had 13 actual engine out landings in my short flying carrier in the military (not to mention numerous other landings with major issues). That stuff happens about once every third blue moon in the civilian world and its experience that 5,000 hours flying point A to B can't buy.
The legacies are betting that they can teach a mil guy to work with a crew if he/she was a lawn dart driver and teach them to talk to ATC correctly and how to walk without looking like there is a stick up their butt. But you can't teach that background unless you have it...
It's not a knock on civilian only pilots, the legacies aren't saying mil guys fly planes better (trust me I've been in both worlds, good and bad pilots in both). They ARE saying that the training background carries a lot of weight.
Legacies don't hire mil guys because they are better at flying into the same airports or because they will have a better shot at completing new hire training or because they work better in a crew or because they are a better stick or because of a mission mindset... Some or all of that may be completely false based on the individual.
The reason they hire mil pilots is because they are the best trained. That's a FACT. No civilian only pilot has gone through a training program or mission set that compares to that training.
Most mil pilots spend every other flight practicing for the worst case scenario. That's something we don't do in 121 land. So the legacies are laying money on the fact that when the poop hits the fan, a mil guy will stay calm and put it in the Hudson and not into the closest skyscraper because he is scope locked on the problem because he/she hasn't ever had anything major go wrong before.
I had 13 actual engine out landings in my short flying carrier in the military (not to mention numerous other landings with major issues). That stuff happens about once every third blue moon in the civilian world and its experience that 5,000 hours flying point A to B can't buy.
The legacies are betting that they can teach a mil guy to work with a crew if he/she was a lawn dart driver and teach them to talk to ATC correctly and how to walk without looking like there is a stick up their butt. But you can't teach that background unless you have it...
It's not a knock on civilian only pilots, the legacies aren't saying mil guys fly planes better (trust me I've been in both worlds, good and bad pilots in both). They ARE saying that the training background carries a lot of weight.
05-15-2016, 10:53 AM
#194
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Ok, so against my better judgement, I'm going to post anyway...
Legacies don't hire mil guys because they are better at flying into the same airports or because they will have a better shot at completing new hire training or because they work better in a crew or because they are a better stick or because of a mission mindset... Some or all of that may be completely false based on the individual.
The reason they hire mil pilots is because they are the best trained. That's a FACT. No civilian only pilot has gone through a training program or mission set that compares to that training.
Most mil pilots spend every other flight practicing for the worst case scenario. That's something we don't do in 121 land. So the legacies are laying money on the fact that when the poop hits the fan, a mil guy will stay calm and put it in the Hudson and not into the closest skyscraper because he is scope locked on the problem because he/she hasn't ever had anything major go wrong before.
I had 13 actual engine out landings in my short flying carrier in the military (not to mention numerous other landings with major issues). That stuff happens about once every third blue moon in the civilian world and its experience that 5,000 hours flying point A to B can't buy.
The legacies are betting that they can teach a mil guy to work with a crew if he/she was a lawn dart driver and teach them to talk to ATC correctly and how to walk without looking like there is a stick up their butt. But you can't teach that background unless you have it...
It's not a knock on civilian only pilots, the legacies aren't saying mil guys fly planes better (trust me I've been in both worlds, good and bad pilots in both). They ARE saying that the training background carries a lot of weight.
Legacies don't hire mil guys because they are better at flying into the same airports or because they will have a better shot at completing new hire training or because they work better in a crew or because they are a better stick or because of a mission mindset... Some or all of that may be completely false based on the individual.
The reason they hire mil pilots is because they are the best trained. That's a FACT. No civilian only pilot has gone through a training program or mission set that compares to that training.
Most mil pilots spend every other flight practicing for the worst case scenario. That's something we don't do in 121 land. So the legacies are laying money on the fact that when the poop hits the fan, a mil guy will stay calm and put it in the Hudson and not into the closest skyscraper because he is scope locked on the problem because he/she hasn't ever had anything major go wrong before.
I had 13 actual engine out landings in my short flying carrier in the military (not to mention numerous other landings with major issues). That stuff happens about once every third blue moon in the civilian world and its experience that 5,000 hours flying point A to B can't buy.
The legacies are betting that they can teach a mil guy to work with a crew if he/she was a lawn dart driver and teach them to talk to ATC correctly and how to walk without looking like there is a stick up their butt. But you can't teach that background unless you have it...
It's not a knock on civilian only pilots, the legacies aren't saying mil guys fly planes better (trust me I've been in both worlds, good and bad pilots in both). They ARE saying that the training background carries a lot of weight.
Zero military time or training for me, civilian only, and I would say that you are exactly correct akula. Not a knock on me and my civilian only colleagues, just the way it is. At least the way I understand it to be.
05-15-2016, 12:22 PM
#195
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Skywest is running 2 classes. Everyone keeps pointing to the 65 to 78 in the CRJ class but forgetting about the 35 in the ERJ each month. They are over 100 but losing 60+ a month.
Skywest has great trip pay rules so you get an extra 20 to 40% of credit compared to the others. Plus they have profit sharing. The majors love skywest guys and are taking them like crazy right now.
Skywest has great trip pay rules so you get an extra 20 to 40% of credit compared to the others. Plus they have profit sharing. The majors love skywest guys and are taking them like crazy right now.
05-15-2016, 12:55 PM
#196
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05-15-2016, 02:38 PM
#198
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just wanted to let everyone know...... hi. On a real note though, I do hope that XJT doesnt go belly up on this flow to UAL, but then again, I guess most "flow" options aren't really flows at all, just marketing schemes. Correct me if I'm wrong lol
05-15-2016, 04:26 PM
#199
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No.. Its a real question. If you look at some months. Ive heard 20+ XJT pilots hired "off the street" by UA. Now with the flow. Isnt it metered at 10-15 a month..??? Real question. Same
Goes for all the AA flow programs. Looking at hiring numbers for 2018 and beyond. It looks like a flow would be more of a "slow"...
Goes for all the AA flow programs. Looking at hiring numbers for 2018 and beyond. It looks like a flow would be more of a "slow"...
05-15-2016, 04:52 PM
#200
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Ok, I'll take the bait...
Since, based on your position elucidated in this post, I am fairly certain that you have not been through the rigorous selection process and training that is the hallmark of military aviation. Therefore I would maintain you are not privy to what the airlines are truly looking for in a candidate.
Do the majors prefer, or based on the intonations in your post, dare we say "covet" ex-mil? I would not use the term "covet". Rather, I would say the Major's KNOW the commodity they are getting when hiring a former military pilot. It speaks to learning curve, mental processing capacity, piloting skills, and discipline required to make it into and through the military training programs.
Being an ex-mil fighter guy (20 + years of flying fighters), who is presently flying with a regional, I don't get your point. I have not been scooped up by a major. I update my apps just like everyone else, continue to try to be better at my job and hope for one day to get the call up for an interview.
I know several folks at my airline getting picked up (seems like the pace is quickening). Outstanding all of them, and not a single one ex-mil. I did not go on a forum and claim that the majors "don't like mil guys/gals" based on that.
Based on the hiring stats I've seen, I think it is still pretty fair across the board.
Since, based on your position elucidated in this post, I am fairly certain that you have not been through the rigorous selection process and training that is the hallmark of military aviation. Therefore I would maintain you are not privy to what the airlines are truly looking for in a candidate.
Do the majors prefer, or based on the intonations in your post, dare we say "covet" ex-mil? I would not use the term "covet". Rather, I would say the Major's KNOW the commodity they are getting when hiring a former military pilot. It speaks to learning curve, mental processing capacity, piloting skills, and discipline required to make it into and through the military training programs.
Being an ex-mil fighter guy (20 + years of flying fighters), who is presently flying with a regional, I don't get your point. I have not been scooped up by a major. I update my apps just like everyone else, continue to try to be better at my job and hope for one day to get the call up for an interview.
I know several folks at my airline getting picked up (seems like the pace is quickening). Outstanding all of them, and not a single one ex-mil. I did not go on a forum and claim that the majors "don't like mil guys/gals" based on that.
Based on the hiring stats I've seen, I think it is still pretty fair across the board.
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