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Old 04-27-2016, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Corppilot36
Interesting to see, why Envoy attracted 35 new pilots and Endeavor only 19... Could it be the flow ? Really?
19 was the second class of the month. The first had 20+ IIRC
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Old 04-27-2016, 06:55 AM
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He also shut down an engine that was producing power, but that's just bad publicity...
I've heard this numerous times but is there any official NTSB citation for it?
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Old 04-27-2016, 07:27 AM
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Question on the Sully situation. I have been told that after the incident, many people during a sim training event were put into the same scenario as the Sully tragedy without any indication of what was about to happen. And that 100% of them landed the plane in Teterboro. Any truth to this?
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Old 04-27-2016, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight

many people were put into the same scenario in the sim and landed the plane in Teterboro.
I edited out all the BS ^^^^^^ and left the truth.

And as we all know, the sim is exactly like the real deal.
/sarc

The NTSB said Sully and Skiles did the right thing as there were no assurances they would have made it over the skyline to the runway.

Had they attempted to make the runway and failed it was near 100% certainty all would die, not including unknown # of deaths on the ground. The crew took the option that gave them the highest percentage of saving the lives of those both in the air and on the ground.

Case closed.


(edit: Btw, in light of the above facts, I laughed at your calling this event "the Sully tragedy". Really????)

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Old 04-27-2016, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
I edited out all the BS ^^^^^^ and left the truth.

And as we all know, the sim is exactly like the real deal.
/sarc

The NTSB said Sully and Skiles did the right thing as there were no assurances they would have made it over the skyline to the runway.

Had they attempted to make the runway and failed it was near 100% certainty all would die, not including unknown # of deaths on the ground. The crew took the option that gave them the highest percentage of saving the lives of those both in the air and on the ground.

Case closed.
Agreed. Airbus goes down....ZERO people die. I'm okay with that.
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Old 04-27-2016, 11:06 AM
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Great attack, SayAlt. As always.

Now, as to my question, do you have any knowledge of the sim scenario to which I refer or not?
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Great attack, SayAlt. As always.

Now, as to my question, do you have any knowledge of the sim scenario to which I refer or not?

What part of my response to you are you having trouble with? I'll try to help you with your reading comprehension issue(s).



And I know I already commented on this, but it is so egregious I cannot help but highlight it once again...

Originally Posted by HighFlight

many people during a sim training event were put into the same scenario as the Sully tragedy
"Sully tragedy". GMAFB
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Old 04-27-2016, 12:33 PM
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I've heard this numerous times but is there any official NTSB citation for it?
It's in the full NTSB report.
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Old 04-27-2016, 03:10 PM
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that report also says that all the pilots in the sim were briefed on exactly what was going to happen (the bird strike). Bunch of arm chair quarterbacks and keyboard warriors here. I wonder if any of them would have the cajones to tell Sully or anyone else on that flight that he made a mistake....
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Old 04-27-2016, 05:04 PM
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that report also says that all the pilots in the sim were briefed on exactly what was going to happen (the bird strike). Bunch of arm chair quarterbacks and keyboard warriors here. I wonder if any of them would have the cajones to tell Sully or anyone else on that flight that he made a mistake....
According to the NTSB report, when the pilots were warned before the moment of impact and briefed to make an immediate turn back to LGA, a few were able to make it back the runway.

However when there was no warning and they spent a few seconds trying to diagnose the problem, they all fell short.


Last time at recurrent, the instructor hit me with a double engine failure climbing out of SFO. I was able to make it back to the airport, but it wasn't pretty.
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