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02-12-2007, 04:26 AM
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[QUOTE=sflpilot;117113]I suppose I agree to an extent.
02-12-2007, 05:18 AM
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Well you will probably be in the 145 for the rest of your airline career, but that is the fault of nobody else but the pilots. Most of the routes you will fly are really mainline routes anyway. So it's gonna be just like mainline except for the pay. But what the h**l, you're flying a jet.
02-12-2007, 06:35 AM
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Please explain to us again why we should be mad at regional pilots flying airplanes bigger than 50 seats, when mainline pilot groups caved on scope at let regionals fly "small jets" in the first place?
Also, why do people bash on the E170 and fail to mention the CRJ-700? They both have 70 seats...is it just because the 170 "looks like a real plane"?
Also, why do people bash on the E170 and fail to mention the CRJ-700? They both have 70 seats...is it just because the 170 "looks like a real plane"?
P.S. 170's are much nicer on the inside and way more comfortable
02-13-2007, 04:34 AM
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I gotta say he is one of the few that knows whats going on, especially in reference to the scope clause, mainline ego, and greed is what brought the industry to this level, "We aren't flying regional jets" they were the cause, we are the effect, not vice versa
P.S. 170's are much nicer on the inside and way more comfortable
P.S. 170's are much nicer on the inside and way more comfortable
02-13-2007, 05:17 AM
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Please explain to us again why we should be mad at regional pilots flying airplanes bigger than 50 seats, when mainline pilot groups caved on scope at let regionals fly "small jets" in the first place?
Also, why do people bash on the E170 and fail to mention the CRJ-700? They both have 70 seats...is it just because the 170 "looks like a real plane"?
Also, why do people bash on the E170 and fail to mention the CRJ-700? They both have 70 seats...is it just because the 170 "looks like a real plane"?
At a regional? $20/hr to $40/hr for FO's, $60/hr to $110/hr (yr 18) for CA's.
Gee, I wonder why they are at the regionals?
IOW, it was a combination of the two - mainline pilots trying to save their pensions for farming out more flying and selling us down the river, and regional MEC's wanting the growth with crap contracts (or in the case of skywest, just agreeing to fly the damn things for their 50 seat rate).
I don't think people realize just how many good jobs disappeared with the introduction of these 70+ seat aircraft at the regional level. Instead of being at mainline making over $100k your second year, $200k+ as a CA you are at a regional making $30k as an FO and $60k as a CA.
02-13-2007, 05:51 AM
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Fosters you are way off. Who allow the planes to go to the regional level? BoilerUp is correct. It started with the mainline guys caving on scope. Which came first the chicken or the egg?
You want to go to extremes? How bout jets at no regionals. The minute the mainline guys allow this, it was over.
02-13-2007, 05:52 AM
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i saw congrats on the new hire!!!!!!!!!!
dont let "others" bring you down!!
to all of you out there bashing this new hire, you need to knock it off!! it isnt the regionals that are bringing the industry down....it is the pilots. you guys are CONSTANTLY bashing everything. i have said it before, that it is the pilots inherent RIGHT to bi**h, but good lord, give me a break!! you have a guy that just got hired, let him enjoy the moment......and let him make his career WHATEVER he wants to make it....we ALL have our own goals...
you are right, it is ALL about attitude!!!!!!
ok, my $.02 worth...
see ya!
dont let "others" bring you down!!
to all of you out there bashing this new hire, you need to knock it off!! it isnt the regionals that are bringing the industry down....it is the pilots. you guys are CONSTANTLY bashing everything. i have said it before, that it is the pilots inherent RIGHT to bi**h, but good lord, give me a break!! you have a guy that just got hired, let him enjoy the moment......and let him make his career WHATEVER he wants to make it....we ALL have our own goals...
you are right, it is ALL about attitude!!!!!!
ok, my $.02 worth...
see ya!
02-13-2007, 05:53 AM
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Because regional contracts made it financially viable to send those aircraft to the regionals. A 76 seater at NWA, the FO was making $40 (first year) to $130, and CA's were making $175 to $191/hr (yr 12) preconcession.
At a regional? $20/hr to $40/hr for FO's, $60/hr to $110/hr (yr 18) for CA's.
Gee, I wonder why they are at the regionals?
IOW, it was a combination of the two - mainline pilots trying to save their pensions for farming out more flying and selling us down the river, and regional MEC's wanting the growth with crap contracts (or in the case of skywest, just agreeing to fly the damn things for their 50 seat rate).
I don't think people realize just how many good jobs disappeared with the introduction of these 70+ seat aircraft at the regional level. Instead of being at mainline making over $100k your second year, $200k+ as a CA you are at a regional making $30k as an FO and $60k as a CA.
At a regional? $20/hr to $40/hr for FO's, $60/hr to $110/hr (yr 18) for CA's.
Gee, I wonder why they are at the regionals?
IOW, it was a combination of the two - mainline pilots trying to save their pensions for farming out more flying and selling us down the river, and regional MEC's wanting the growth with crap contracts (or in the case of skywest, just agreeing to fly the damn things for their 50 seat rate).
I don't think people realize just how many good jobs disappeared with the introduction of these 70+ seat aircraft at the regional level. Instead of being at mainline making over $100k your second year, $200k+ as a CA you are at a regional making $30k as an FO and $60k as a CA.
Well I gotta say the mans gotta point, a very strong one as well
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