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Old 01-27-2016, 08:59 PM
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Can anyone copy/paste the article so I don't have to look at their mother ****ing ads?
God forbid journalists get paid a decent wage to write....

Oh the irony
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God forbid journalists get paid a decent wage to write....

Oh the irony
This might be relevant if pilots were paid by the amount of ad PA's they could make while in cruise.
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Do you think they will repeal the 1500 rule, up the retirement age to 67, or both?

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unfortunately, and even if we think congress wont do it, i think they are going to repeal the 1500 rule. eventually they always buckle to those lobbyists
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“There are approximately 18,000 pilots set to retire over the next seven years assuming each works to 65, but most retire between 62.5 and 64,” she told Forbes. “There are 18,000 pilots employed at the regionals.

Interesting numbers they throw around, but they forget the 25-30% of RJ pilots that aren't qualified to be mainline pilots. That still leaves a gap of around 6000 pilots. They're also assuming a 1 for 1 replacement of RJs with mainline planes. Fewer, larger planes to replace the RJs will require fewer pilots than they're talking about. Granted, fewer good paying mainline jobs is a heck of a lot better than a large number of pathetic little RJ jobs.
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Article says Skywest is to shrink its fleet by 50 percent over the next 3 years???
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“There are approximately 18,000 pilots set to retire over the next seven years assuming each works to 65, but most retire between 62.5 and 64,” she told Forbes. “There are 18,000 pilots employed at the regionals.

Interesting numbers they throw around, but they forget the 25-30% of RJ pilots that aren't qualified to be mainline pilots. That still leaves a gap of around 6000 pilots. They're also assuming a 1 for 1 replacement of RJs with mainline planes. Fewer, larger planes to replace the RJs will require fewer pilots than they're talking about. Granted, fewer good paying mainline jobs is a heck of a lot better than a large number of pathetic little RJ jobs.
You're assuming zero growth in capacity. That's not how publicly traded companies work. Year over year growth is a fundamental metric investors look at. Not to mention load factors are up as are fares. Airlines will grow seat-miles wherever they can.
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This could be a total non event... bring RJ's to mainline and pay a respectable wage or keep the regionals around and pay those pilots more either way works. This can all be fixed very easily it's just how much do the majors want to spend?....
This is correct. "Regional Airlines" are nothing more than an outsourced C-Scale with no career advancement.

Put these airplanes, all of them, on the mainline certificate and this problem goes away. It would take a full scale shift in thinking but the recruitment problems and the fact that nobody is getting into this business anymore would end quickly.

Give it a career path and it can be a good career. "Regional" (I hate that word as it's nothing but language that was put in place to sell the industry and the public on the idea that it's a lower level of flying, 'entry level' so to speak, which it most definitely is not) airlines are dead end jobs.

Bring this back in house and the problem is solved very quickly.
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
This might be relevant if pilots were paid by the amount of ad PA's they could make while in cruise.
It's completely relevant. You're asking to read, for free, someone's hard work but will complain about passengers spending the absolute least amount possible thus contributing to the regional pay issue.
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You're assuming zero growth in capacity. That's not how publicly traded companies work. Year over year growth is a fundamental metric investors look at. Not to mention load factors are up as are fares. Airlines will grow seat-miles wherever they can.
I understand that seat capacity will continue to grow over the long term. It will be with a smaller number of mainline jets as opposed to a massive number of RJs which is good for the overall pay and stability of mainline jobs.
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Originally Posted by saab2000
This is correct. "Regional Airlines" are nothing more than an outsourced C-Scale with no career advancement.

Put these airplanes, all of them, on the mainline certificate and this problem goes away. It would take a full scale shift in thinking but the recruitment problems and the fact that nobody is getting into this business anymore would end quickly.

Give it a career path and it can be a good career. "Regional" (I hate that word as it's nothing but language that was put in place to sell the industry and the public on the idea that it's a lower level of flying, 'entry level' so to speak, which it most definitely is not) airlines are dead end jobs.

Bring this back in house and the problem is solved very quickly.
But regional airlines are entry level jobs. Where else in the world (outside of the military) could anyone get a job flying a jet with 250 hours and a wet commercial certificate? Or become a "captain" at 1500 hours with nothing more than a few hundred hours of Cessna command time under their belt? The standards dropped so incredibly low that regionals will forever be seen as substandard.
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