Warning to new hires
01-22-2016, 07:49 AM
#71
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If only. 
The feeble validation of the Protected Pilot Agreement was at the expense of the crown jewel of your contract, that being transfer rights with aircraft handed over on a silver platter for what essentially is a large slice of Swiss cheese. Virtually EVERYTHING you had or could do was founded on that single point of leverage.
This statement of yours explains very much why so many present Envoy pilots have deluded themselves about their futures and the risks therein and that is because they get an "F" in history for making no effort to learn it or ditching class to pick up babes and get loaded.
The feeble validation of the Protected Pilot Agreement was at the expense of the crown jewel of your contract, that being transfer rights with aircraft handed over on a silver platter for what essentially is a large slice of Swiss cheese. Virtually EVERYTHING you had or could do was founded on that single point of leverage.
This statement of yours explains very much why so many present Envoy pilots have deluded themselves about their futures and the risks therein and that is because they get an "F" in history for making no effort to learn it or ditching class to pick up babes and get loaded.
01-22-2016, 07:51 AM
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Perhaps, but Envoy has hundreds of $120,000/year captains and you can be SURE that will indeed be corrected within 12-18 months. Either take the flow in the "new" carrier or accept 12th year scale. Of course, the third option is to hit the bricks.
Parker isn't going to leave good money on the table that is a complete waste when it can easily be recouped. Envoy ALPA will take the lessor of two evils, but first Envoy ALPA will be reshaped with a new leadership when the present one goes to AA. Got to get them there within the timeline and so the flow for the 824 will move on at a good clip barring the unforeseen. Since Envoy will never get that many pilots there, it will contract and upgrades will continue at a "trickle" as one union rep said.
Parker isn't going to leave good money on the table that is a complete waste when it can easily be recouped. Envoy ALPA will take the lessor of two evils, but first Envoy ALPA will be reshaped with a new leadership when the present one goes to AA. Got to get them there within the timeline and so the flow for the 824 will move on at a good clip barring the unforeseen. Since Envoy will never get that many pilots there, it will contract and upgrades will continue at a "trickle" as one union rep said.
01-22-2016, 07:52 AM
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01-22-2016, 07:55 AM
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Beggars can't be choosers.
01-22-2016, 08:00 AM
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Yes, it is an industry issue and the resources simply aren't there and are dwindling fast, with the worst yet to come. I think that's why some carriers (and certain pilots there tasked to do that) are basically saying just about anything to convince the few pilots out there why they should come to their airline.
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Beggars can't be choosers.
01-22-2016, 09:48 AM
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What concessions did we take for the flow????
01-22-2016, 10:00 AM
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01-22-2016, 03:44 PM
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Somehow, I don't think that is what AAG plans unfortunately. They aren't that "forward thinking". Always stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime is the new American way.
01-22-2016, 05:36 PM
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Warning to new hires
People are attempting to confuse two issues.
A pilot group took a new contract to get additional aircraft with the knowledge that many "new" aircraft would come from another carrier. That same contact had provisions that demanded concessions from other employees at their own airline in order to realize all the benefits of said new contract.
The new flow is not part of the contract that cut the legs out from under everyone else and sealed the fate of "race to the bottom".
A pilot group took a new contract to get additional aircraft with the knowledge that many "new" aircraft would come from another carrier. That same contact had provisions that demanded concessions from other employees at their own airline in order to realize all the benefits of said new contract.
The new flow is not part of the contract that cut the legs out from under everyone else and sealed the fate of "race to the bottom".
01-23-2016, 07:58 AM
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People are attempting to confuse two issues.
A pilot group took a new contract to get additional aircraft with the knowledge that many "new" aircraft would come from another carrier. That same contact had provisions that demanded concessions from other employees at their own airline in order to realize all the benefits of said new contract.
The new flow is not part of the contract that cut the legs out from under everyone else and sealed the fate of "race to the bottom".
A pilot group took a new contract to get additional aircraft with the knowledge that many "new" aircraft would come from another carrier. That same contact had provisions that demanded concessions from other employees at their own airline in order to realize all the benefits of said new contract.
The new flow is not part of the contract that cut the legs out from under everyone else and sealed the fate of "race to the bottom".
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