UAL Vacation Pass -own metal issues
01-03-2016, 06:38 AM
#82
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Eight is correct. Each pass is good for one-way travel and includes all riders traveling together in a group. They also have the benefit of waiving the service charge for upgrading to Business or First.
The system has issues, even on mainline flights, as the typical result of someone using an SA0V is that all other SA1P riders upgrade to vacation passes so the boarding priority is unchanged but everyone's burned a vacation pass. The biggest benefit, IMO, is the service charge waived upgrades.
Might work better if the SA0V priority went by check-in time, instead of seniority, as that would get rid of the gamesmanship but that won't happen.
The system has issues, even on mainline flights, as the typical result of someone using an SA0V is that all other SA1P riders upgrade to vacation passes so the boarding priority is unchanged but everyone's burned a vacation pass. The biggest benefit, IMO, is the service charge waived upgrades.
Might work better if the SA0V priority went by check-in time, instead of seniority, as that would get rid of the gamesmanship but that won't happen.
01-03-2016, 07:09 AM
#83
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We are mainlines *****es, unwanted step childs, the bastards if you will... And as you can see, the mainline pilots get all ****y when you try to stand up for yourself. This is not only a "B" or even "C" pay scale for doing the same exact job, it is a "caste" system like in India. We are sub human to mainline.
There is nothing we can really do other than walk away from it.
There is nothing we can really do other than walk away from it.
If you want to be treated better then stop voting in substandard contracts. Mainline has nothing to do with how much you are paid or your quality of life or your boarding priority while on passes. And the mainline pilots certainly don't have any say in any of it so give it a rest and take the issues up with your Union and your company.
01-03-2016, 10:19 AM
#84
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I bet you may pay check you don't even know what a B scale is.
If you want to be treated better then stop voting in substandard contracts. Mainline has nothing to do with how much you are paid or your quality of life or your boarding priority while on passes. And the mainline pilots certainly don't have any say in any of it so give it a rest and take the issues up with your Union and your company.
If you want to be treated better then stop voting in substandard contracts. Mainline has nothing to do with how much you are paid or your quality of life or your boarding priority while on passes. And the mainline pilots certainly don't have any say in any of it so give it a rest and take the issues up with your Union and your company.
01-03-2016, 10:26 AM
#85
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LOL yes you do. YOUR contract allows the flying to be outsourced. If you want to grow a pair, then go on strike to stop the outsourcing of mainline flying. We are all trying to survive in an atmosphere that was created by mainline pilots deciding they had more important issues other than allowing their flying to be outsourced. Until the mainline pilots take the stand that if there is a Tulip (or globe or whatever the hell they have on the planes now) on the tail, then the pilots belong on the UAL list, then we will all continue to suffer. The mainline pilots have to tools in their hands to stop this, it just isn't worth the pain they might suffer for them to stop it.
01-03-2016, 02:14 PM
#86
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However since the government allowed the last round of mergers (with ALPA cheering them along) these companies are officially too big to fail which means PEBs are much more likely. But as I said, if mainline pilots want this fixed, they can fix it but it just isn't a priority for them.
01-04-2016, 08:04 AM
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LOL yes you do. YOUR contract allows the flying to be outsourced. If you want to grow a pair, then go on strike to stop the outsourcing of mainline flying. We are all trying to survive in an atmosphere that was created by mainline pilots deciding they had more important issues other than allowing their flying to be outsourced. Until the mainline pilots take the stand that if there is a Tulip (or globe or whatever the hell they have on the planes now) on the tail, then the pilots belong on the UAL list, then we will all continue to suffer. The mainline pilots have to tools in their hands to stop this, it just isn't worth the pain they might suffer for them to stop it.
Of course you make no mention of the scope constraints we achieved in the last contract. Nor do you mention the history of how UAX jets came to be at United, the last of the majors to allow RJ's by the way. DL, CO and AA all had 50 seat RJ's before they were allowed at UA. I suspect you were probably not in the industry in 90's when they were allowed to fly as UAX.
Finally were you conscripted into the position of regional jet pilot? The industry has been this way for some time so were the rules changed after you arrived or did you just not do any due diligence on the system? Whatever you do, don't accept any of the responsibility for being where you are today. Unless you were forced to be an RJ pilot you had the option to say NO and you have the current option to walk away. You have options, the ball is in your own personal court.
01-04-2016, 08:12 AM
#88
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Seems you have your blame game all lined up. It's the UA pilots fault that we get 8 vacation passes a year. It's the UA pilots fault your are flying an RJ. Glad to see it is only the UA pilots you blame for this.
Of course you make no mention of the scope constraints we achieved in the last contract. Nor do you mention the history of how UAX jets came to be at United, the last of the majors to allow RJ's by the way. DL, CO and AA all had 50 seat RJ's before they were allowed at UA. I suspect you were probably not in the industry in 90's when they were allowed to fly as UAX.
Finally were you conscripted into the position of regional jet pilot? The industry has been this way for some time so were the rules changed after you arrived or did you just not do any due diligence on the system? Whatever you do, don't accept any of the responsibility for being where you are today. Unless you were forced to be an RJ pilot you had the option to say NO and you have the current option to walk away. You have options, the ball is in your own personal court.
Of course you make no mention of the scope constraints we achieved in the last contract. Nor do you mention the history of how UAX jets came to be at United, the last of the majors to allow RJ's by the way. DL, CO and AA all had 50 seat RJ's before they were allowed at UA. I suspect you were probably not in the industry in 90's when they were allowed to fly as UAX.
Finally were you conscripted into the position of regional jet pilot? The industry has been this way for some time so were the rules changed after you arrived or did you just not do any due diligence on the system? Whatever you do, don't accept any of the responsibility for being where you are today. Unless you were forced to be an RJ pilot you had the option to say NO and you have the current option to walk away. You have options, the ball is in your own personal court.
You helped write the rules of this game. Anyone who voted yes to scope relief is partially responsible. You don't get to sit up in your ivory tower and blame everyone else who came after you for playing by the rules of the game you created. I mean, I guess you can do whatever you want, it just makes you look like a greedy Richard.
If there was any other way to make a living post-CFI knowing there was a reasonably similar chance of making it to a major, I'd love to know what you think it is.
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01-04-2016, 08:18 AM
#89
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Seems you have your blame game all lined up. It's the UA pilots fault that we get 8 vacation passes a year. It's the UA pilots fault your are flying an RJ. Glad to see it is only the UA pilots you blame for this.
Of course you make no mention of the scope constraints we achieved in the last contract. Nor do you mention the history of how UAX jets came to be at United, the last of the majors to allow RJ's by the way. DL, CO and AA all had 50 seat RJ's before they were allowed at UA. I suspect you were probably not in the industry in 90's when they were allowed to fly as UAX.
Finally were you conscripted into the position of regional jet pilot? The industry has been this way for some time so were the rules changed after you arrived or did you just not do any due diligence on the system? Whatever you do, don't accept any of the responsibility for being where you are today. Unless you were forced to be an RJ pilot you had the option to say NO and you have the current option to walk away. You have options, the ball is in your own personal court.
Of course you make no mention of the scope constraints we achieved in the last contract. Nor do you mention the history of how UAX jets came to be at United, the last of the majors to allow RJ's by the way. DL, CO and AA all had 50 seat RJ's before they were allowed at UA. I suspect you were probably not in the industry in 90's when they were allowed to fly as UAX.
Finally were you conscripted into the position of regional jet pilot? The industry has been this way for some time so were the rules changed after you arrived or did you just not do any due diligence on the system? Whatever you do, don't accept any of the responsibility for being where you are today. Unless you were forced to be an RJ pilot you had the option to say NO and you have the current option to walk away. You have options, the ball is in your own personal court.
01-04-2016, 10:01 AM
#90
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Seems you have your blame game all lined up. It's the UA pilots fault that we get 8 vacation passes a year. It's the UA pilots fault your are flying an RJ. Glad to see it is only the UA pilots you blame for this.
Of course you make no mention of the scope constraints we achieved in the last contract. Nor do you mention the history of how UAX jets came to be at United, the last of the majors to allow RJ's by the way. DL, CO and AA all had 50 seat RJ's before they were allowed at UA. I suspect you were probably not in the industry in 90's when they were allowed to fly as UAX.
Finally were you conscripted into the position of regional jet pilot? The industry has been this way for some time so were the rules changed after you arrived or did you just not do any due diligence on the system? Whatever you do, don't accept any of the responsibility for being where you are today. Unless you were forced to be an RJ pilot you had the option to say NO and you have the current option to walk away. You have options, the ball is in your own personal court.
Of course you make no mention of the scope constraints we achieved in the last contract. Nor do you mention the history of how UAX jets came to be at United, the last of the majors to allow RJ's by the way. DL, CO and AA all had 50 seat RJ's before they were allowed at UA. I suspect you were probably not in the industry in 90's when they were allowed to fly as UAX.
Finally were you conscripted into the position of regional jet pilot? The industry has been this way for some time so were the rules changed after you arrived or did you just not do any due diligence on the system? Whatever you do, don't accept any of the responsibility for being where you are today. Unless you were forced to be an RJ pilot you had the option to say NO and you have the current option to walk away. You have options, the ball is in your own personal court.
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