UAL Vacation Pass -own metal issues
12-28-2015, 08:33 AM
#42
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Your OM probably says explicitly when a PIC is allowed to delay a flight. My guess is 'applying non rev priority' isn't a bullet item listed. You're looking at some unpaid time off, and it's doubtful the agent will change the order of boarding. Their job is on the line if they do that. This is all fairy tale talk, I don't think the OP has the balls to even try it.
12-28-2015, 08:40 AM
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Then I sincerely hope you have a concrete leg to stand on to go outside of published policy besides just your version of what's fair. Because you're right: it will NOT be pretty.
12-28-2015, 09:13 AM
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Yep you are right. I'd call my chief pilot first and tell him the situation so at least the flight attendant would have someone on her side as to why she didn't get to work. Like I said though, I fly on the American side of things, and American lets our own people have priority. I suppose I was venting my anger about it, but my bottom line is that I need to protect my income source for my families sake.
12-28-2015, 09:49 AM
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If you show up for a UA Jumpseat and were denied for another legacy carrier pilot I suspect you and the other posters creating their own boarding system for nonrevs would cry foul and create a scene. You would be the higher priority and yet you were denied boarding. Hightly suspect you wouldn't go quietly. However, when you decide to start creating policy you have no issue with stepping outside of the system. It is logic and thinking like this as to why you are still flying an RJ in the largest hiring spree since 9/11.
Vacation passes are a limited quantity. They compete on seniority across all vacation pass holders. If the express person is senior then they would go first.
I really wouldn't get so spun up about this issue. You will most likely be replaced in 4-5 years when UA rebids the express contract and the next lowest bidder steps up to the plate. You get replaced the new company gets your planes and you get to start over again. That does throw a wrench into you getting senior to compete for a vacation pass though......
If you don't like the UA boarding priority system take it up with your company. Don't screw the people that are only using the system. That is really childish and speaks of a very insecure person with a RJ for life career path.
Vacation passes are a limited quantity. They compete on seniority across all vacation pass holders. If the express person is senior then they would go first.
I really wouldn't get so spun up about this issue. You will most likely be replaced in 4-5 years when UA rebids the express contract and the next lowest bidder steps up to the plate. You get replaced the new company gets your planes and you get to start over again. That does throw a wrench into you getting senior to compete for a vacation pass though......
If you don't like the UA boarding priority system take it up with your company. Don't screw the people that are only using the system. That is really childish and speaks of a very insecure person with a RJ for life career path.
12-28-2015, 10:36 AM
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United or the mainline carrier own every seat on that plane. The express carriers have no system to sell seats. If you guys want to start your own flying under your own name then you can dictate how the system works. The industry is riddled with carriers that tried and failed but it's always an option.
12-28-2015, 10:58 AM
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Back when AWAC was under US Airways, employees had to pay $240/year for the full travel benefit package. Guys went nuts over this as Republic, SkyWest, etc never had to pay. Well, come to find out those carriers didn't get near the off airline benefits that AWAC did (like Grand Canyon helicopter tours for $35). So yes, I would say it is a 'thing', as I've experienced it first hand.
12-28-2015, 11:19 AM
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Well thats not true, you need to read up on the agreements and contracts, they are not all the same CPA's as you describe.
Irregardless this argument is pointless. The vacation pass for mainline was an end run around the express carries after the contract negotiations ended, it's done.
Express got ride of the annual fee and buddy pass in exchange for free economy and segment fee in first class, all aircraft, regardless of owner.
There is nothing a crew can or should do other then watch out for the abusers that are all to common, I.E. changing to SAOV inside of one hour.
Irregardless this argument is pointless. The vacation pass for mainline was an end run around the express carries after the contract negotiations ended, it's done.
Express got ride of the annual fee and buddy pass in exchange for free economy and segment fee in first class, all aircraft, regardless of owner.
There is nothing a crew can or should do other then watch out for the abusers that are all to common, I.E. changing to SAOV inside of one hour.
12-28-2015, 01:32 PM
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Well thats not true, you need to read up on the agreements and contracts, they are not all the same CPA's as you describe.
Irregardless this argument is pointless. The vacation pass for mainline was an end run around the express carries after the contract negotiations ended, it's done.
Irregardless this argument is pointless. The vacation pass for mainline was an end run around the express carries after the contract negotiations ended, it's done.
Where do I go to buy a ticket from Mesa or Trans States. I heard Skywest did some at risk E120 flying previously. For the bread and butter of the express carriers, the major owns 100% of the seats.
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