Lambourne

I am not blaming anyone. There were thousands of jobs created at the regional level as a result of scope relief. There would never have been the equal number of jobs created at the mainline. Many of the guys complaining now about the playing field are the ones that would be unemployed without the changes that took place.

The mainline pilots are trying to regain scope. We have been trying with our last contract and we will continue in the future. When the regional jet was voted on at UA we were told it would be used to supplement mainline not the wholesale replacement of markets that took place. I clearly remember getting ride on a UAX turboprop back in back during the period of time when UA did not have RJ's. The UAX Capt. asked me "Why do you feel threatened by me flying a regional jet?" So it wasn't like the regional pilots were crying foul that those airplanes were turning up on their property.

Lambourne

Because this discussion was about UA vacation passes. I work for UA and I have an opinion. I am not preaching at anyone, just not a fan of victim mentality. Especially from those that are factually wrong and don't know anything about what happened to get to this point. All they know is someone they were flying with once told them "it's all the mainline pilots fault that, _________" fill in the blank and blame anyone but yourself for whatever the situation might be.

Lambourne

So you have been at a regional since the late 80's early 90's? You opted to sit out all of the hiring that took place at the majors and other non RJ carriers since then? That may speak more of you and your own personality issues than any UA mainline pilots holding you back or UA pass policy.

At the end of the day should you choose to create your own boarding policy I hope the agent takes the time to engage a supervisor to intervene and board the aircraft appropriately. If you decide to bump mainline pilots/nonrevs from jumpseats and cabin seats perhaps the paper trail will eventually catch up to you and you will be dealt with by your management. If you couldn't get a job during the past 20+ years while you had a job, what are the odds of getting one after being terminated? Better be ready to answer that one in an interview. Just some food for thought.

cencal83406

Yup. Can't wait to put all the punk regional pilots out of work. Especially non-union Skywest.

Scope, yeah, it's that important.

Nevets

The fact is that fee for departure airlines would not exist if not for mainline pilots of the past. The fallacious argument that creating regional airlines created more jobs than otherwise would be is, well fallacious because that argument is making many assumptions, one of which that pilots flying these regional jets would be compensated commensurate with mainline aircraft compensation. Simply put, mainline could've operated current regional aircraft at current regional crew costs. Just as your pay goes up when you go from a 737 to a 767, the same would be true when going from an RJ to a 737.

Only mainline pilots can negotiate with their management on their scope. Therefore, only mainline pilots can scope in their entire brand. But mainline pilots rather use their negotiating capital ok other things and spread it around. Which is fine! It's their negotiating capital to decide how to use. But let's not pretend to know where the problem started and who can fix it, if they really wanted to.

Lambourne

If 100% of the current RJ flying was brought in house to main line via the addition of a CS100 and E195 there would be a lot of RJ pilots out of jobs. I've read many times the regional carriers refer to "their" flying when it is just a bunch of hours given to the lowest bidder. The hue and cry of being screwed by mainline pilots if the replacement was all done via internal growth versus an acquisition would be large and loud.

You guys want it both ways and it is not going to happen. Also there won't be a buy out or placing on the seniority list of the regional by the majors. Just don't see that ever happening.

Nevets

Nice straw man. That's not what I said. I'm not going to argue with you. We all know where this issue came from and we all know who has the power to change it, if they wanted to. And if they don't want to, that's their prerogative. Let's just not pretend otherwise though.

FlyingKat

No ** I worked at mainline in non flying positions while building my time. So once again, save the lecture. And I know the rules and my contract and how to apply them, so good luck. As they say, fly safe, follow the contract....

FlyingKat

No there wouldn't. You can't beg, borrow, or steal enough guys to spend upwards of $150K to get into this profession right now. If you moved every flying job to mainline tomorrow there still wouldn't be enough pilots to cover it. Which is probably likely to happen because with what they are paying regional crews to cover flying right now, it doesn't make much sense to outsource.

FlyingKat

Once again, you guys were arrogant enough to think these smaller aircraft were beneath you. Just like when all the UAX flying started and you guys thought flying a 30 seat turboprop was beneath you. You guys at mainline let the cat out of the bag instead of standing firm, and not allowing any outsourcing, no matter the aircraft. The guys with the MBAs have been outgaming the genius pilots at mainline for years, and it doesn't appear to be changing soon.